know what he thought about the rigged officiating on the weird blocking below the waist call on a ISU defender.
Shout out to coach Campbell for calling time out to let the referee
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He needs to send a tape of that play to the conference officiating committee or whatever and demand explanation of how he needs to coach Johnson to change his technique.
The ref apologists saying Baylor was so much more aggressive are probably the dumbest people on the board.
If they’re right about Baylor being so much more aggressive (and I don’t think they were more aggressive outside of 3rd quarter), it only makes those type of calls that went exclusively against ISU that much more of a fix. Plus it ignores the reality that when ISU players are getting 15 yard penalties and ejections for normal play…that doesn’t exactly encourage aggressive play as your post points out.
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The biggest thing for me on the Freyler call was that nothing was seen or called on the field. Some Baylor lover official in the booth decided to look at that and radio down to the field and stop play immediately so they could throw probably our 2nd best defensive player out of the game.
Okay.... fine.... whatever. You've decided on one of the first plays of the game what the standard for the day is going to be for 'targeting'. You're going to call it tight, and if it's even questionable you've decided you're going to toss guys out of the game. Fine. At least we know now how it's going to be called.
So the ISU players had to start being a little less aggressive and hold back a bit..... we couldn't afford to get anyone else on defense thrown out of the game.
But Baylor was still being very aggressive.... but nothing getting called on them for hits just as bad as Freyler's, or in some cases even worse. #20 for Baylor should have been thrown out twice (I know that's impossible). Doyle should have been thrown out for his hit on Brock that knocked him out of the game for a few plays. After the game Brock was asked about that hit and he said he had a stinger in his chest and said something to the affect that it's hard to sustain getting hit with the crown of the helmet right to your chest. That's the definition of 'targeting'. Was it looked at upstairs though and called down..... nope.
And then a few plays later, Johnson gets 15 yds for a below the waist hit, which was actually to the shoulder area. That one was an even far worse call than Freyler's by far. So now what do our defensive players think they can do and what they cannot do after those 2 calls? And that is why I was glad CMC called the timeout right there to rip those officials a new one. He was telling those officials... "how do you expect our players to be able to compete and play the game out there?".
It put all our defenders on edge the rest of the game wondering if they were going to get ejected, and so they played a bit more cautious. It was total BS. It was not a competitive playing field out there from that moment on IMO.
Okay.... fine.... whatever. You've decided on one of the first plays of the game what the standard for the day is going to be for 'targeting'. You're going to call it tight, and if it's even questionable you've decided you're going to toss guys out of the game. Fine. At least we know now how it's going to be called.
So the ISU players had to start being a little less aggressive and hold back a bit..... we couldn't afford to get anyone else on defense thrown out of the game.
But Baylor was still being very aggressive.... but nothing getting called on them for hits just as bad as Freyler's, or in some cases even worse. #20 for Baylor should have been thrown out twice (I know that's impossible). Doyle should have been thrown out for his hit on Brock that knocked him out of the game for a few plays. After the game Brock was asked about that hit and he said he had a stinger in his chest and said something to the affect that it's hard to sustain getting hit with the crown of the helmet right to your chest. That's the definition of 'targeting'. Was it looked at upstairs though and called down..... nope.
And then a few plays later, Johnson gets 15 yds for a below the waist hit, which was actually to the shoulder area. That one was an even far worse call than Freyler's by far. So now what do our defensive players think they can do and what they cannot do after those 2 calls? And that is why I was glad CMC called the timeout right there to rip those officials a new one. He was telling those officials... "how do you expect our players to be able to compete and play the game out there?".
It put all our defenders on edge the rest of the game wondering if they were going to get ejected, and so they played a bit more cautious. It was total BS. It was not a competitive playing field out there from that moment on IMO.
Some bad calls yes, but stop with the "rigged" narrative. It makes our fanbase look silly.
It isnt rigged but the no call/calls where absurd in favor of Baylor. Even with all the shi t calls we could have won end of story.
The effect it had on how our guys played tight the rest of the game is what really chaps my ass.
It’s either rigged or pure incompetence. You pick.
I'm not saying it cost us the game. I don't think we played well enough to win even without the bad calls most likely. We did not play very well. Baylor looked like the better team.
As far as it being 'rigged'.... I don't know how else to explain these things though? Why did they not even stop and look at targeting on any of those Baylor hits during the game that were as bad or worse than Freyler's?
Some of them you could hear the helmet to helmet collision on TV clear as day, and the fans were all yelling for targeting.... but did they look at it.... nope. Or if they did look at it upstairs they obviously did not use the same standards for targeting that they used on Freyler's hit, that's for sure, because they never called down to the field.
I would hate to think it's rigged, I'm not one of those that believe we lost because of officiating (which I stated above).... but I'm just not sure how you explain it? What did they see on Freyler's hit that made them call down, but they didn't call down on several other Baylor hits throughout the game?
Baylor had like one penalty the entire first half, and that was a holding penalty or something with under a minute to play until the half and had no impact on the game at all.
In this day and age of everyone having draft kings and fan duel apps on their phones and even players knowing what the spread is, you'd be naive to rule out rigging/fixing when it was as bad as yesterday.
Doubly so when a lot of money was being put on ISU.
Ten years ago it might have been silly but today you can't rule it out. Those calls/noncalls were truly inexplicable. . . or were they?
Yeah I agree it's either rigged or they are not good at their job.
I lean rigged since if it was just not good at their job, you would think there would be bad calls for both sides.
I used to feel this way but with the proliferation of gambling in our society makes me wonder a little bit more.
Watched the Baylor Sic'em post game on youtube last night, and even the two Baylor hosts on that show thought ISU was getting screwed on several horrible calls in the 1st half yesterday and that Baylor was very fortunate to get those because they directly led to two Baylor TD's that likely would not have happened without those calls.
So you know it's bad when your opponent's feel the same way about the calls.
So you know it's bad when your opponent's feel the same way about the calls.
My lip reading skills aren’t great but pretty sure Campbell spent the entire TO screaming “WHAT THE **** WAS THAT?!” at any ref who dared to get close.
Hopefully, what happened yesterday motivates us greatly for next Saturday. I know it's KU, but it's also a road game against a 4-0 conference opponent that is jacked up beyond anyone's expectations. Huge game for us.
He basically said they will be in touch with the league office
Daniels will be a big problem for us this Saturday. KU might be the better team right now folks.
I hoping 3-1 puts us in a bad mood. Weird as it sounds I would rather obviously win both games but I’d rather lose to Baylor than KU for respect implications
KU is showing shades of early 00's cyclones, where they're off to a hot start vs bad teams and have basically one standout player. Hopefully we'll help them finish like our teams did--disappointingly.
I will say I don't like how liepold has his players believing they can win, lol. Helpfully we will be lucky and another conference will hire him away.
