Shout out to coach Campbell for calling time out to let the referee

Clonefan94

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The ref apologists saying Baylor was so much more aggressive are probably the dumbest people on the board.

If they’re right about Baylor being so much more aggressive (and I don’t think they were more aggressive outside of 3rd quarter), it only makes those type of calls that went exclusively against ISU that much more of a fix. Plus it ignores the reality that when ISU players are getting 15 yard penalties and ejections for normal play…that doesn’t exactly encourage aggressive play as your post points out.
Ref apologists are such cucks. Getting those two calls so early in the game completely changed how we played defense. The refs set the tone of the game as ISU is not allowed to play like Baylor. Even a hint of doubt when going to make a tackle ruins the game for a player. No way anyone on our team could be 100% committed to a tackle knowing the precedent set early in the game.
 

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Ref apologists are such cucks. Getting those two calls so early in the game completely changed how we played defense. The refs set the tone of the game as ISU is not allowed to play like Baylor. Even a hint of doubt when going to make a tackle ruins the game for a player. No way anyone on our team could be 100% committed to a tackle knowing the precedent set early in the game.

It's like...well all 60,000 people in JTS know Baylor got handed 14 points for ISU tackling legally and aggressively...so at some point it's only natural to think tackling aggressively (but within rules) is not winning football on this odd day where the rules of the game are in flux for one team alone.

One call is no big deal, 3 nonsense calls like that in one half and they're no longer playing football. You had a Baylor football team and an ISU flag football team.
 

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I just wish the refs had to actually explain what those calls were all about after the game
Is there a more protected group of individuals than officials? It's a complete joke and beyond time they start answering for calls like the three they made on Saturday. Also, the booth official sure piped down when it came time to look in on a Baylor hit.
 

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Is there a more protected group of individuals than officials? It's a complete joke and beyond time they start answering for calls like the three they made on Saturday. Also, the booth official sure piped down when it came time to look in on a Baylor hit.
It's very similar to Police culture imo. Unwritten rule, don't **** where you eat kind of thing.
 
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PI probably when the player is the intended target. Holding while in route. In this case away from the play and some would call a “cheap shot” which is officially titled unnecessary roughness.

As long as the ball is not thrown you can hit a receiver and knock him on his ass no matter where he is.

If the ball is thrown it could be PI, but he has to be thrown to him.

What they are trying to do is stop guys getting drilled away from the play. If the ball was not yet thrown he is a potential receiver, so you absolutely can’t say it’s away from the play.

It’s a 100% legitimate, sound play if the ball wasn’t thrown. But it takes someone that understands football to realize that, so not surprising that a CFB official had no clue.
 

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I rewatched part of the game (I was in the stadium so I couldn't see many replays) and noticed how close Freyler got being able to stay in the game. Baylor came to the line for the next play and almost snapped the ball before deciding to back out and change the play. They had again almost snapped it before the booth buzzed down to review the call. If that ball gets snapped they can't change the call on the previous play.
 

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As long as the ball is not thrown you can hit a receiver and knock him on his ass no matter where he is.

If the ball is thrown it could be PI, but he has to be thrown to him.

What they are trying to do is stop guys getting drilled away from the play. If the ball was not yet thrown he is a potential receiver, so you absolutely can’t say it’s away from the play.

It’s a 100% legitimate, sound play if the ball wasn’t thrown. But it takes someone that understands football to realize that, so not surprising that a CFB official had no clue.
Not only is he a potential receiver but a potential blocker as well. About the only player on the field you are not supposed to get away with contacting like that as long as it isn't a clear PI situation is the QB. And you can knock him on his ass too if he is going out in a pattern for a throw back or is trying to block.
 
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I'm all for making rules to keep kids safe. But if you can't make the plays Freyler, Reeder and Johnson did, then just put flags on them. It's impossible to play defensive football if you can't do those things.

As others have mentioned, Johnson's was the worst. Apparently having a running back hide behind a pulling guard makes a play indefensible. Are you supposed to just watch them run by? I'd love someone in the league office explain how you can defend a play like that.
 
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I'm not saying it cost us the game. I don't think we played well enough to win even without the bad calls most likely. We did not play very well. Baylor looked like the better team.

As far as it being 'rigged'.... I don't know how else to explain these things though? Why did they not even stop and look at targeting on any of those Baylor hits during the game that were as bad or worse than Freyler's?

Some of them you could hear the helmet to helmet collision on TV clear as day, and the fans were all yelling for targeting.... but did they look at it.... nope. Or if they did look at it upstairs they obviously did not use the same standards for targeting that they used on Freyler's hit, that's for sure, because they never called down to the field.

I would hate to think it's rigged, I'm not one of those that believe we lost because of officiating (which I stated above).... but I'm just not sure how you explain it? What did they see on Freyler's hit that made them call down, but they didn't call down on several other Baylor hits throughout the game?

Baylor had like one penalty the entire first half, and that was a holding penalty or something with under a minute to play until the half and had no impact on the game at all.
I think the refs have a quota to hit. (Just like cops and speeding). Don't want to call targeting more than once a game (can't throw everyone out). They hit their quota in the first 4 plays and then you don't ever have to think about it again.
 
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I have no problem losing a game straight up and getting outplayed..... but when the officiating (making bad calls) dictates the outcome, that is when I lose my $hit.
 
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I’m still not sure on the Reeder call? I don’t think it was unnecessary roughness, but maybe PI?
Was definitely unnecessary roughness. Was inside 5 yards of the LOS. Easton Dean got hurt against Ohio on a very similar play where he was completely blown up by a linebacker (enough that he got the wind knocked out of him) and it was completely legal.
 
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It's not just that the team plays tentative defense going forward, but also the dynamics of playing with a lead vs playing from behind. Shapen was relaxed the rest of the game while our QB and offense are taking bigger risks in trying to catch up. Game could have played out totally different if roles were reversed.
 
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