Just a little perspective: 2,500,000 people die in the US every year. I believe the country is counting people that die "with" Covid-19 not "of " Covid-19.
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CycloneErik
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UNC faculty call special meeting as fourth COVID-19 cluster among students reported
UNC-Chapel Hill reports fourth coronavirus cluster in three days.
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Come on. Do you really believe that the coronavirus problem in the US is just because we’re counting deaths inaccurately? How many Americans do you think have died that just “happen to have COVID-19” but died from something else?
If you're an at-risk person, it would be FOOLISH to rely on legions of kids who lack the wisdom, maturity and scientifically proven JUDGEMENT to ensure your own health. Very few kids have the ability to think outside themselves and we were ALL bulletproof at that age.
At 56 I wear a mask, distance and don't go out and mix with anyone, but just the other day as I was chatting with a neighbor in my new neighborhood I noticed we both had closed the distance without thinking and I backed away.
Human nature is human. It's very flawed but it's human.
Do you have a perfection expectation of your 9 year old? Of your wife? Your grandparents and of yourself? Have ANY of you achieved that?
Not excusing anyone - just making sure everyone's unrealistic expectations are recognized to be unrealistic.
I am sure this will be shrugged off by you but I will try.
True Pandemic Toll in the U.S. Reaches 377,000 (Published 2021)
Since coronavirus struck, more people have died than usual in every state of the country, with 23 states seeing deaths above normal peaking in the last two months, according to a New York Times analysis.
For perspective - Based on the numbers you two are discussing, that would be a greater than 12% increase in deaths nationwide. Or roughly 100 times the deaths from 9/11. For another dose of perspective - we are already over 200,000 greater excess deaths than expected at this point in the year. Those facts based on the actual data (not feelings or opinions) indicate that you are incorrect in your position that most of these deaths are people who would die anyway and it’s unrelated to COVID.
A 12% increase in deaths in America would be a massive catastrophe, so let’s hope we do much better then that.
In the next several weeks, college campuses could become like packing plants.
At least SOMEONE is getting their meat handled.
I see a bunch of kids not scared of a virus with a 99% survival rate good for them.
On some level i don't even blame the college students.
They were the first ones hit by this back in march while school got cancelled. Meanwhile, this whole situation was prolonged in large part due to people refusing to do what it took to knock this down like other countries did. So their lost spring semester was wasted. Meanwhile, theyve watched other groups, groups that lean heavily towards more at-risk groups, be the leaders at ******** every step of the way about the shutdowns, the masks, etc. Furthermore, these students likely have little other outlet for social life. They don't own their own homes, they don't have their own families, etc. So theyve probably tended to be more isolated during the quarantine period than other age groups. So at some point they have to think "well if the boomers arent going to give a damn about it, and my individual risk is low, why should I waste my youth to save them?"
They were the first ones hit by this back in march while school got cancelled. Meanwhile, this whole situation was prolonged in large part due to people refusing to do what it took to knock this down like other countries did. So their lost spring semester was wasted. Meanwhile, theyve watched other groups, groups that lean heavily towards more at-risk groups, be the leaders at ******** every step of the way about the shutdowns, the masks, etc. Furthermore, these students likely have little other outlet for social life. They don't own their own homes, they don't have their own families, etc. So theyve probably tended to be more isolated during the quarantine period than other age groups. So at some point they have to think "well if the boomers arent going to give a damn about it, and my individual risk is low, why should I waste my youth to save them?"
But didn't you hear masks work? Masks are required on campus. Plus all the students I know only have 1, if any, in-person class. The athletes are probably 100% online limiting exposure.
I mean there's literally video evidence out there of doctors saying they count covid deaths as anyone who has it in their system at the time they died.
So are you referring to pneumonia like many AIDS patients died from or are you saying died in a car crash?
So if COVID isn't killing many people, how do you explain the 200k excess deaths? What is your explaination?
I hope all of the football players are kept in a bubble, given online learning and support they need and are given the opportunity to play football. I can't imagine the amount of work they have put in for YEARS to have their peers around them be so selfish and self-centered to potentially end the football season. No excuses about "these are 18yrs olds what do you expect" - my 4 yr old grandson and tell you that you need to be careful and not be around people because of the virus.
During Covid it’s a challenge for this 42 year old to go 48 hours
Ok even though that seems like a silly thing to hold onto, for the sake of argument let’s say X number of people are incorrectly counted in the COVID death toll. I would probably just trust the doctors that are pronouncing the cause of death, but again for the sake of argument, whatever. I’ll give it to you.
There are still Y number of people that have died from COVID that never even made it into the hospital in the first place. I feel pretty confident that Y is greater than X, and if anything the Covid death toll is probably under reported.
