Social Distancing at ISU

cycloneG

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Come on - classes began on the 10th. They successfully completed one week of classes. Quite an effort.
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So the rate of infection quintupled in a week of partying? Yeah get these "kids" out of there. And stop asking the taxpayer to pay for your loans. That money seems like its going into a black hole based on the intelligent decisions alot of students appear to be making.

The infection rate did no such thing. The rate of testing for including all of those students soared.
 

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Contact time is a huge part of the equation. Like any contagious disease. But it isn’t as simple as >X minutes you are at risk, <X you are not at risk. The longer your exposure the more likely you are to get any contagious disease. Shorter exposure reduces likelihood but of course it also depends if someone is coughing in your direction or breathing right on you, etc. I don’t think there is anything magic about this.

Correct - the guideline is simply to give people a standard to align policies around. The fact is that you could walk past somebody in the hall and if they exhale about the time you walk past, you could get just as sick from them as if you spend hours having sex with them.
 
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Correct - the guideline is simply to give people a standard to align policies around. The fact is that you could walk past somebody in the hall and if they exhale about the time you walk past, you could get just as sick from them as if you spend hours having sex with them.

Hours? How about minutes? ;)
 

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Very few kids at that age have a worldview where they are NOT at the center. Been that way forever.

Again - this is the dumbing down the expectations of our children, young adults, and adults that is leading to exactly that - a dumbing down of America.

We apparently have very different experiences as I come from a very normal, working class family and everybody I have associated myself with has a well grounded understanding of our place in a larger society. I'm not saying there aren't different viewpoints, but if you don't expect anything better from kids than to just say - ehh, that's what kids do - then we are doomed to continue our slide down the world pecking order as disciplined countries like Japan, South Korea, etc overtake us.

Am I surprised college students are acting this way? No.

Do I think they should be acting differently, regardless of their age? Yes.

Do I think too many people have assumed that 18-22 year olds aren't capable of being adults? Absolutely.

I have 2 close coworkers with kids at Iowa State. One has a kid that is terrified to be around his peers already after a single weekend of seeing them all party without masks. The other thinks they're going to get it anyways so might as well have fun in the meantime and not mask up. I can tell you which parents are more proud of their kid right now.
 
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The infection rate did no such thing. The rate of testing for including all of those students soared.

And the positivity rate increased. I am so ******* tired of people saying more testing equals more cases. That's like saying if we stop admitting people into funeral homes we would have fewer deaths.

The positivity rate is the only thing that matters as it is a percentage of those tested that are positive. If you notice, nationally we have actually been decreasing in number of tests for a while (pretty dramatically) but the percentage positive hasn't fallen so that means we're just undercounting how many are really sick.

And in Iowa specifically, a new report shows that we're grossly undercounting positive tests because if somebody has been retested after previously being tested, their new positive case is being backdated to when their original negative case was - even if it was 5 months ago. So the actual current, active counts in Iowa are largely higher than reported.
 
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These are the situations that always confuse me with the exposure term. If the two people you mentioned are only in line together for 5-10 minutes, then they would not be considered exposed right? I thought it was if you were near a positive person there was exposure, but when I brought up an example of being at a target (where probably 75% had masks on properly (99% had masks but a third were on in name only), I thought it was potential exposure but was told it wasn’t 15 minutes so it wasn’t an exposure. I’m an truly unsure what is considered exposure and what isn’t at this point.
It's like the 5 minute rule when you drop a piece of food on the ground. As long as you believe it won't harm you, you are good to go!
 
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And the positivity rate increased. I am so ******* tired of people saying more testing equals more cases. That's like saying if we stop admitting people into funeral homes we would have fewer deaths.

The positivity rate is the only thing that matters as it is a percentage of those tested that are positive. If you notice, nationally we have actually been decreasing in number of tests for a while (pretty dramatically) but the percentage positive hasn't fallen so that means we're just undercounting how many are really sick.

And in Iowa specifically, a new report shows that we're grossly undercounting positive tests because if somebody has been retested after previously being tested, their new positive case is being backdated to when their original negative case was - even if it was 5 months ago. So the actual current, active counts in Iowa are largely higher than reported.

I find the lag time in the State’s reporting unconscionable. Supposedly positive rate has been set as a standard by which schools can change their plans at least temporarily. Our county public health reported many positive cases five days ago that still have not appeared on the state’s website. If the data the State releases is a week old, it should not be the basis for what should be locally controlled decisions.
 
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And the positivity rate increased. I am so ******* tired of people saying more testing equals more cases. That's like saying if we stop admitting people into funeral homes we would have fewer deaths.

The positivity rate is the only thing that matters as it is a percentage of those tested that are positive. If you notice, nationally we have actually been decreasing in number of tests for a while (pretty dramatically) but the percentage positive hasn't fallen so that means we're just undercounting how many are really sick.

And in Iowa specifically, a new report shows that we're grossly undercounting positive tests because if somebody has been retested after previously being tested, their new positive case is being backdated to when their original negative case was - even if it was 5 months ago. So the actual current, active counts in Iowa are largely higher than reported.

of course the cases are dramatically underreported, I don’t think anyone anywhere is suggesting otherwise.
 

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Again - this is the dumbing down the expectations of our children, young adults, and adults that is leading to exactly that - a dumbing down of America.

We apparently have very different experiences as I come from a very normal, working class family and everybody I have associated myself with has a well grounded understanding of our place in a larger society. I'm not saying there aren't different viewpoints, but if you don't expect anything better from kids than to just say - ehh, that's what kids do - then we are doomed to continue our slide down the world pecking order as disciplined countries like Japan, South Korea, etc overtake us.

Am I surprised college students are acting this way? No.

Do I think they should be acting differently, regardless of their age? Yes.

Do I think too many people have assumed that 18-22 year olds aren't capable of being adults? Absolutely.

I have 2 close coworkers with kids at Iowa State. One has a kid that is terrified to be around his peers already after a single weekend of seeing them all party without masks. The other thinks they're going to get it anyways so might as well have fun in the meantime and not mask up. I can tell you which parents are more proud of their kid right now.

We all want them to be better people. We ALL want to BE better people. But to expect that is disconnected with reality and history.

Putting your health in the hands of that particular demographic is misplaced. Social animals at that age are going to be social - especially after being locked down / shut in for so long. Again - it's simple human nature. None of them care if we can or cannot go to a football game at some point in the future when NOW is at their fingertips.

It is incumbent on you to instill in your son the values you admire and want him to follow. You MAY be the best parent in the land but simply look at all the college kids at ISU that are socially mixing - those are children of parents many of which believe the same as you yet here we are, and there they are in all their glory.

Expecting atypical behavior is an exercise in futility...

Wear your mask, stay socially distant and shake your fist at people walking outside without masks but know there are people that will NOT go out of their way to stay out of YOUR way - literally and figuratively. It's an unreasonable and unrealistic expectation.

I know we've bared our souls on this board about mental health issues and I'm a guy that has absolutely suffered mentally and physically from expecting unrealistic performance from everyone - myself included.

Please, WANT them to be better. WANT your son to be better. WANT your partner and your boss and your parents to be better but WHEN they fail to live up to your expirations give them GRACE for being exactly who god (insert deity of choice) made them to be.
 

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Correct - the guideline is simply to give people a standard to align policies around. The fact is that you could walk past somebody in the hall and if they exhale about the time you walk past, you could get just as sick from them as if you spend hours having sex with them.

Hours? While I like your optimism, I’m afraid I’m going to disappoint.
 

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I find the lag time in the State’s reporting unconscionable. Supposedly positive rate has been set as a standard by which schools can change their plans at least temporarily. Our county public health reported many positive cases five days ago that still have not appeared on the state’s website. If the data the State releases is a week old, it should not be the basis for what should be locally controlled decisions.

Whatever someone’s views on this pandemic... I think we should all be in agreement that the we should all be provided the most accurate information in a process that’s as transparent as possible. It’s crucial for making the right decisions.