Social Distancing at ISU

[SolarGarlic]

For about 6-8 weeks the only place you saw anybody was at grocery stores and at gas stations. Except for oudoor activities like walking on a trail nobody did anything. Geez, even playground equipment and picnic benches were taped off. It didn't stop the virus but it did bring the economy to its knees. Not sure why people don't remember how spring was and how we were told to stay at home and the virus would be largely gone by summer. This was in small town Iowa and it was way more restrictive than even that in the larger towns and cities.

There's no mostly agree button, so I went with agree. It was never going to get rid of the virus, but it was a restrictive environment, as it should have been. Had the entire country adhered to those restrictions and held off reopening, we would be in much better shape now. But I think some posters either didn't follow those restrictions, lived in places with lower restrictions, or have forgot what March and April were like.

 

[CloniesForLife]

How is that what you got out of my posts?

I wasn't picking a political side, just refuting what a poster said about cities not being locked down early in the pandemic. March and April was as close to a lockdown as we get in the U.S.

Sorry for derailing the thread a bit with that argument. I feel like you and I actually pretty much agree on most of this.

 

[SolarGarlic]

Sorry for derailing the thread a bit with that argument. I feel like you and I actually pretty much agree on most of this.

Reading comprehension has been a major struggle in this thread, myself included.

 

[SolarGarlic]

Is ISU planning on reporting testing numbers on a regular cadence? I actually think we'll have lower positives than most campuses just because Iowa hasn't had a huge outbreak in terms of volume compared to other states. It looks like students are wearing masks on campus (I think younger people are more likely to follow these guidelines than older adults), and I know they were prepping halls for social distancing measures for in-person classes. We'll see how long that lasts, but I think ISU will be open longer than most schools. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing for the prospects of a football season.

 

[CloniesForLife]

Reading comprehension has been a major struggle in this thread, myself included.

It can be hard to get your exact point across in an internet forum with an issue like COVID that is so nuanced.

 

[Statefan10]

That's the most obvious statement about the spread of the virus I've seen recently.

Yes it's a "no duh" statement for sure.

 

[NorthCyd]

Mac Brown said today he believes not having his players go into classrooms helps put a better seal on their bubble.

Finally UNC can do away with the charade of their athletes actually going to class.

 

[theshadow]

Is ISU planning on reporting testing numbers on a regular cadence?

Final update on move-in COVID-19 testing - News Service

www.news.iastate.edu

"Iowa State will continue to provide weekly updates on testing throughout the fall semester. Now that move-in testing is complete, TSHC will provide testing for students, faculty and staff with symptoms of COVID-19. Additional surveillance testing may be used in targeted areas throughout the fall."

 

[BCClone]

Final update on move-in COVID-19 testing - News Service

www.news.iastate.edu

"Iowa State will continue to provide weekly updates on testing throughout the fall semester. Now that move-in testing is complete, TSHC will provide testing for students, faculty and staff with symptoms of COVID-19. Additional surveillance testing may be used in targeted areas throughout the fall."

Just so people don't get alarmed if the testing from here on out starts running several times higher than this. They will not be testing everybody again is my understanding and that will cause the numbers to pop up.

 

[Clonefan32]

Mac Brown said today he believes not having his players go into classrooms helps put a better seal on their bubble.

Not going into classrooms is a North Carolina Athletics tradition.

 

[LeaningCy]

Final update on move-in COVID-19 testing - News Service

www.news.iastate.edu

"Iowa State will continue to provide weekly updates on testing throughout the fall semester. Now that move-in testing is complete, TSHC will provide testing for students, faculty and staff with symptoms of COVID-19. Additional surveillance testing may be used in targeted areas throughout the fall."

SIAP. Does the number of total tests performed (8,094) include all students who moved into University housing?

Was there any testing available to students moving into non-University housing?

 

[theshadow]

SIAP. Does the number of total tests performed (8,094) include all students who moved into University housing?

Was there any testing available to students moving into non-University housing?

I believe that everyone who moved in to dorms or university apartments was required to be tested as part of the move-in process.

Testing was available for students living in off-campus/private housing. They had the option to be tested, but it wasn't mandatory.

 

[ArgentCy]

This is incorrect. Over 170,000 Americans have died of COVID in less than 6 months. That’s around a 1 in 2,000 chance of dying if a new disease over a less than 6 month period. You are flat out more likely to have died of COVID, let alone your “much much more” hyperbole.

Please just stop saying false things. You are by far the most consistently incorrect person on this site. C’mon man.

Oh yeah. I will stand by that statement because it's 100% accurate. How many people will die in the Country if everyone who caught the virus also got that drunk and jumped off a roof? The numbers are not accurate but let's go with the 170,000 number. How many were his age?

A quick perusal of the CDC data shows 242 deaths in the 15-24 age group.

Almost none. Now we just have to quantify the risk of dying when falling off a roof while being that drunk.

Another quick search shows around 2200 deaths each year from alcohol poisoning alone. 5-10% in this age group which gets you to about the same number of deaths. So add in some risk from you know, jumping off a roof and I think I'm 100% accurate.

The people who should feel the worst are the ones who let the guy get up on the roof and then cheered him jumping.

 

[Cy$]

Notre Dame suspends in-person classes after COVID-19 cases surge following off-campus parties

Monday's testing data indicates a 19.1% positivity rate, nearly four times the rate that the World Health Organization recommends for states to reopen.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[ArgentCy]

Just so people don't get alarmed if the testing from here on out starts running several times higher than this. They will not be testing everybody again is my understanding and that will cause the numbers to pop up.

It is interesting that the testing was so consistent at 2.2%

 

[Cardinal and Gold]

There's no mostly agree button, so I went with agree. It was never going to get rid of the virus, but it was a restrictive environment, as it should have been. Had the entire country adhered to those restrictions and held off reopening, we would be in much better shape now. But I think some posters either didn't follow those restrictions, lived in places with lower restrictions, or have forgot what March and April were like.

I live in Fort Collins and can attest that Colorado took things much more serious/restrictive than Iowa and most other places. When people came to visit from Iowa over the last few months (showing the less serious/more free, however you want to view it, approach by itself) it was somewhat of a culture shock to them compared to Iowa (not trying to get into an argument that either way is right or wrong, just my personal observation)

Is ISU planning on reporting testing numbers on a regular cadence? I actually think we'll have lower positives than most campuses just because Iowa hasn't had a huge outbreak in terms of volume compared to other states. It looks like students are wearing masks on campus (I think younger people are more likely to follow these guidelines than older adults), and I know they were prepping halls for social distancing measures for in-person classes. We'll see how long that lasts, but I think ISU will be open longer than most schools. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing for the prospects of a football season.

You can't just look at volume though. You have to look at both volume and % of population. And those numbers within a hotspot. Which Ames will probably be. Also, it doesn't just matter that they wear masks when they are mandated to, but rather what they do when they are not mandated. In an "ignorant population" (CDC term, not mine), where the population is either unknowing or unpreventing, the spread rate is around 4 (meaning 1 infected person will spread to 4 others). That is lower if precautions are taken, obviously. So if only 200 students have it now (idk the actual #) that could be 800 next week if they are not removed from the environment. And 2400 the next...so on and so forth. These are not opinions, just facts. So by the end of Oct it could definitely be an issue if measures aren't taken/followed (like the city mandate just passed). But of the cases how many will be of a vulnerable population? It's not only less impacted healthy young adults living in Ames. Also, asymptomatic people present a huge obstacle that I won't get into here.

The best answer isn't always correct, and usually lands somewhere in-between. Something our country seems to be forgetting these days on both sides of any argument.

 

[CloneIce]

Oh yeah. I will stand by that statement because it's 100% accurate. How many people will die in the Country if everyone who caught the virus also got that drunk and jumped off a roof? The numbers are not accurate but let's go with the 170,000 number. How many were his age?

A quick perusal of the CDC data shows 242 deaths in the 15-24 age group.

Almost none. Now we just have to quantify the risk of dying when falling off a roof while being that drunk.

Another quick search shows around 2200 deaths each year from alcohol poisoning alone. 5-10% in this age group which gets you to about the same number of deaths. So add in some risk from you know, jumping off a roof and I think I'm 100% accurate.

The people who should feel the worst are the ones who let the guy get up on the roof and then cheered him jumping.

By any statistical measure you are incorrect - an American person is more likely to die of COVID then jumping off a roof. While this may differ in the shallow end of the gene pool you swim in, its not true for the rest of us. Clearly nobody is arguing over whether it’s safer for everyone in the nation to jump off a roof or not, so no need to deflect with a ridiculous argument like that. It can’t get any dumber than that argument.

We both know you posted that particular statement as part of your repeated attempts to downplay the danger of COVID. That was your motivation. You’ve made multiple false statements around that theme that have been debunked by many posters on this topic.

 

[Gunnerclone]

We were talking about March and April. Nobody in Denver was playing golf.

Courses never closed here.

 

[SolarGarlic]

I live in Fort Collins and can attest that Colorado took things much more serious/restrictive than Iowa and most other places. When people came to visit from Iowa over the last few months (showing the less serious/more free, however you want to view it, approach by itself) it was somewhat of a culture shock to them compared to Iowa (not trying to get into an argument that either way is right or wrong, just my personal observation)



You can't just look at volume though. You have to look at both volume and % of population. And those numbers within a hotspot. Which Ames will probably be. Also, it doesn't just matter that they wear masks when they are mandated to, but rather what they do when they are not mandated. In an "ignorant population" (CDC term, not mine), where the population is either unknowing or unpreventing, the spread rate is around 4 (meaning 1 infected person will spread to 4 others). That is lower if precautions are taken, obviously. So if only 200 students have it now (idk the actual #) that could be 800 next week if they are not removed from the environment. And 2400 the next...so on and so forth. These are not opinions, just facts. So by the end of Oct it could definitely be an issue if measures aren't taken/followed (like the city mandate just passed). But of the cases how many will be of a vulnerable population? It's not only less impacted healthy young adults living in Ames. Also, asymptomatic people present a huge obstacle that I won't get into here.

The best answer isn't always correct, and usually lands somewhere in-between. Something our country seems to be forgetting these days on both sides of any argument.

I agree, but looking at it from a purely PR standpoint, lower numbers will look better to the general public.

To anyone in Ames, is the general population wearing masks in businesses? I could see students being better at that than older folks. I get the sense from what I see on Facebook that Iowa is mostly back to a full reopen, which isn't encouraging.

 

[LeaningCy]

By any statistical measure you are incorrect - an American person is more likely to die of COVID then jumping off a roof. While this may differ in the shallow end of the gene pool you swim in, its not true for the rest of us. Clearly nobody is arguing over whether it’s safer for everyone in the nation to jump off a roof or not, so no need to deflect with a ridiculous argument like that. It can’t get any dumber than that argument.

We both know you posted that particular statement as part of your repeated attempts to downplay the danger of COVID. That was your motivation. You’ve made multiple false statements around that theme that have been debunked by many posters on this topic.

How many people will die in the Country if everyone who caught the virus also got that drunk and mainlined heroin with a used needle while surfing in shark-infested waters in the middle of a Cat-5 hurricane?

*Waves hands to imply logical process*

Therefore, COVID is overblown.