Strength and Conditioning Coach...

[kc_clone]

And if you think every athlete is going to work just as hard regardless of having a strength coach take them through an organized workout you couldn't be more wrong. I spoke with our s&c coach at my school this week. Over dead week, finals-which is 2 weeks for us, and the first week of class the lifting was optional per NCAA rules. During those 4 weeks, we had 2 athletes get in 4 lifts. 5 guys that got in 3 lifts. We had 23 guys that didn't get a single lift during that month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And they are all full ride scholarship. Some guys just aren't that willing to make sacrifices.

And, it seems each year we have more and more guys missing lifts, conditioning sessions, and defenetely more and more attitudes and complaining.

 

[Tornado man]

You're right

Tell that to Urban Meyer:

COACH URBAN MEYER: Recruit, and hire a tremendous strength coach. Dan knows, a lot of times I'll hear about these coaches or I'll talk to some young coaches and put their staff together and I'll ask the question about the strength staff, about the discipline in your program and those things. He hired our former strength coach who was at Virginia and now he's at Mississippi State, so he just hit a home run. He's got a chance now, and I would say Dan had zero chance if he couldn't hire an ace strength staff that can keep that thing together. The strength staff in college football nowadays, if you're -- you guys should watch this. If a guy gets hired and puts that, I'm going to hire a strength coach later, that's a guy that has no clue what's going on, and he'll fail. Dan Mullen has got a chance because he knows the value of the strength staff, so he hit a home run. And then obviously recruiting, he's got to get out and get quality players and hire a staff to recruit. I think Dan is going to do fine. Dan is a very intelligent coach and he'll surround himself -- all great coaches know how to surround themselves with great coaches, and we had great discussions, long discussions about it, and he feels very comfortable with the people he's putting together on his coaching staff.

So Urban Meyer is apparently telling us that Rhoads "has no clue what's going on." Did I read that right?

 

[mustangcy]

To say that all s&c coaches are the same and that it is not an important hire prove how little you know about football and s&c. I have played college football and been in the coaching profession. I have seen s&c coaches who
1. start a workout right on time. If you're 1 sec. late, you make it up at 6 am the next day.
2. everything must be done 100% perfect or you do it over again.
3. Plan the workouts 4 weeks in advance and use scientific periodization

And I have seen s&c coaches who
1. do not take attendance. THey don't even no when someone skips a lift.
2. Guys can come to a workout 15 minutes late and not be punished.
3. Write the workout on the marker board (and think it up) after the players have finished the warm up.

So, you think that both of those coaches are just as good? That's like saying all lawyers are just as good. THey all have a law degree and fancy books. Some people put a lot more time and effort into their jobs than other people, plan and simple.

Dude, you just gave us an example of a guy who does care and is good at what he does and one that doesn't care is obviously not good at what he does.

I don't think anyone is saying "just go out and find a guy who will make them lift weights". What I think some of us are saying is find a guy who is proven in the profession, is passionate about helping athletes get stronger and can motivate players.

The point I was making is that a coach from a BCS conference should be able to find a guy that will do all the things we want him to do. It's not like there are only a hand full of guys that can do the things we need him to do to get our guys ready to play.

Of course S&C is important, I don't remember anyone saying otherwise. I'm just saying we should have no problem finding a guy and that make all of us happy and nit-picking over a guy that worked his way to be head S&C coach for an NFL team seems silly.

 

[kc_clone]

Team workout monday with new strength coach.

 

[jt tailgater]

and his name would be...

 

[Wesley]

Name? Today? Tomorrow?

 

[kc_clone]

Players don't know yet.....although they are assuming Myslinski from Cleveland.

 

[ChickenWing]

AAAAAAHHHHHHH. I'll be so happy, not because we desperately need someone to start the lifting programs, but so I can stop hearing about it on this board. Seriously, I think PR is smart enough have someone put in a temporary program for the kids while he tries to make the best possible hire. Also, don't you think these kids would be anxious to make a good impression on a new coaching staff. I doubt they are blowing off their new coach and staying home and playing xbox.

I honestly don't give a f*** who he hires but can't wait to see posters analyze the quality of the new S&C coach like they would a coordinator or a head coach. Maybe I'm crazy but I just assume PR is more qualified to decide this than we are. S&C coaches are like dumb posts..a dime a dozen.

 

[SpokaneCY]

AAAAAAHHHHHHH. I'll be so happy, not because we desperately need someone to start the lifting programs, but so I can stop hearing about it on this board. Seriously, I think PR is smart enough have someone put in a temporary program for the kids while he tries to make the best possible hire. Also, don't you think these kids would be anxious to make a good impression on a new coaching staff. I doubt they are blowing off their new coach and staying home and playing xbox.

I honestly don't give a f*** who he hires but can't wait to see posters analyze the quality of the new S&C coach like they would a coordinator or a head coach. Maybe I'm crazy but I just assume PR is more qualified to decide this than we are. S&C coaches are like dumb posts..a dime a dozen.

You just invited the wrath of the S&C gods onto your head. You poor bastard.

 

[Bigguns]

Totally agree...S&C is not rocket science. Just get a guy in there that can motivate the players. This seems to be the most overrated hire of the whole staff around here.

Actually it is very scientific and in my opinion as or more important as any position coach. My rank order in importance:
1.HC
2.Coordinators
3.SC
4.Position Coach

 

[ripvdub]

At this point I dont think anyone will be happy with whomever we get as DC or S&C coach.

 

[cyclonedave25]

Totally agree...S&C is not rocket science. Just get a guy in there that can motivate the players. This seems to be the most overrated hire of the whole staff around here.

I'll disagree. Of course, most people know how to lift weights, run, etc. But, there are huge differences in good and bad S&C coaches. Especially for a football team, training players for their respective positions with the proper lifts and emphasizing different lifts for position players. I have seen many bad S&C coaches who don't know what the heck they are doing. They go through the motions and make players stronger. The good coaches will take advantage of every opportunity they can get and capitalize on every possible thing. They will turn your average college athlete into a quick, explosive, beast. Something that separates your average team, from a physical, fast, powerful team.

 

[kc_clone]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/sports/ncaafootball/08college.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Some experts on this board think that a coach should just hire any strength coach, because they're all the same. Urban Meyer in this article says it's "the most important hire." He's only won two National Championships though.

 

[mustangcy]

I'll disagree. Of course, most people know how to lift weights, run, etc. But, there are huge differences in good and bad S&C coaches. Especially for a football team, training players for their respective positions with the proper lifts and emphasizing different lifts for position players. I have seen many bad S&C coaches who don't know what the heck they are doing. They go through the motions and make players stronger. The good coaches will take advantage of every opportunity they can get and capitalize on every possible thing. They will turn your average college athlete into a quick, explosive, beast. Something that separates your average team, from a physical, fast, powerful team.

I agree with everything you said there. But how in the world is any of that difficult? Nothing you just said can't be done by someone with a little education, training and experience. That was my point. I wasn't trying to down grade the job...just make a point that, well, its not rocket science. Don't just go out and hire some schmuck but lets be honest here, PR knows what he's doing and he'll bring in a guy that will get the job done.

 

[Wallacelantz]

How about Jake Anderson for S&C Coach. I know he is young and some will say inexperienced, but they have to start somewhere.

Central College Athletics - Strength and Conditioning

 

[bmuff]

Actually it is very scientific and in my opinion as or more important as any position coach. My rank order in importance:
1.HC
2.Coordinators
3.SC
4.Position Coach

I agree. I remember McCarney saying once that the S&C coach (Getty) spent more time with the players than any on-field coach. I'm not into lifting, but if you want someone who just has the players do arms on Monday and Thursday, legs on Tuesday and cardio on Saturday, then yeah, those guys are a dime a dozen. What they need is someone who can tailor the program for each player, focus workouts on improving them at their position and evaluate bodies to project and acheive the optimum size, quickness and speed combination.

Also, the S&C coach needs to be part of the recruiting strategy on official and unofficial visits.

 

[Wesley]

How about Jake Anderson for S&C Coach. I know he is young and some will say inexperienced, but they have to start somewhere.

Central College Athletics - Strength and Conditioning

Why Not? Interim?

 

[cyclonedcm]

John Basedow all the way...

 

[kc_clone]

Jake Anderson is a great guy and a very very good strength coach. I have talked with him, seen his workouts, and talked to current and former players there. They all love him.....and he kills them. Jake has experience at ISU, Iowa, and 7 years at Central. I don't care if it's D3, he knows his stuff. This would be a great hire. He is a big reason for Central's dominance over the last few years. Other teams in the Iowa Conference are starting to hire s&c coaches to play catch up.

 

[Tornado man]

Jake Anderson is a great guy and a very very good strength coach. I have talked with him, seen his workouts, and talked to current and former players there. They all love him.....and he kills them. Jake has experience at ISU, Iowa, and 7 years at Central. I don't care if it's D3, he knows his stuff. This would be a great hire. He is a big reason for Central's dominance over the last few years. Other teams in the Iowa Conference are starting to hire s&c coaches to play catch up.

I attended a clinic of which he was a speaker - all Anderson talked about was what he learned at Iowa under Chris Doyle. It got very old. I guess Getty held his own against Doyle in the Iowa series...