Word Up! by Cameo
We don't have the time for psychological romance
No romance, no romance, no romance for me mamma
Come on baby tell me what's the word
Now likely stuck in my head for the rest of the day.
Take a guess at what he did
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Word Up! by Cameo
We don't have the time for psychological romance
No romance, no romance, no romance for me mamma
Come on baby tell me what's the word
Now likely stuck in my head for the rest of the day.
Christ, some of you really can't take a jokeUltimate womanizing, saying the only reason nothing happened is because you never initiated it!!
It's highly likely they didn't care for you and/or your attitude, either.
That's Korn dude. While I know they just did a cover, their cover beats the original a million times over.Word Up! by Cameo
We don't have the time for psychological romance
No romance, no romance, no romance for me mamma
Come on baby tell me what's the word
Now likely stuck in my head for the rest of the day.
I think @AuH2O had a good comment. IMO the issue is their disclosure.
Or many people have different perspectives and there isn't one truly correct answer here. In my industry, sleeping with subordinates would be sleeping with students, a very clear violation of laws and ethics. Two adults having a consensual relationship is wildly different from that scenario, ethically wrong but two adults shacking up isn't illegal.
I think there needs to be more information before people start admonishing Udoka. Right now, the punishment doesn't fit the violation IMO, so there's a very real chance there's more to the story.
Organizations are totally free to interpret what they consider consent and power dynamics that are permissible as long as its not less stringent than what is legal. Legally it's 2 18+ year olds in a relationship, for a corporation/business it very could be they're uncomfortable with the prospect of in 3 months one of the parties saying hey this didn't feel consensual.
Gotta disagree. Korn's version is great, but not that original. Plus they never did it with a giant codpiece.
Yeah, a 1 year suspension is an unusual punishment. Usually, you get a warning (ie nothing), or you get flat out fired.
Agree must be a little more going on here-- maybe its not the first time it happened either to coach or someone else in the org, or his boss told him to report and he didn't, or something like that.
If you sign a employee agreement/contract/company code of conduct you're agreeing to those terms.
Don’t most companies also have training about what is not permitted as well? All of my sons complain about the training and wonder who is dumb enough to do some of these things.
Yes. I’m sure this policy is clearly spelled out and reinforced. Most companies make you take it every single year. And yes, the training is crazy. Some of the examples are absolutely nuts to the point no reasonable person would think of doing these things. yet time and time again people are still stupid enough to violate the policies anyway.
People need to keep in mind this is not a criminal investigation. No one is accusing him of anything non-consensual. To the best of my knowledge that is not in question nor is the female employee lodging any complaints to that extent.
As others have pointed out, this is about following a company policy. One that is in place because it ultimately protects employees from unfair treatment or harassment and because it protects the corporation from legal, reputational, and fincancial risks.
In a lot of places, you’d be fired on the spot. So if you think a suspension of this length is unfair one could argue he’s getting off easy.
It’s also important to consider what kind of leader violates these kind of policies, what it says about his judgement, etc. Even if the relationship was 100% consensual this would leave a lot of open questions for the owner and other members of the organization about this guy.
As others have pointed out, this is about following a company policy. One that is in place because it ultimately protects employees from unfair treatment or harassment and because it protects the corporation from legal, reputational, and fincancial risks.
In a lot of places, you’d be fired on the spot. So if you think a suspension of this length is unfair one could argue he’s getting off easy.
It’s also important to consider what kind of leader violates these kind of policies, what it says about his judgement, etc. Even if the relationship was 100% consensual this would leave a lot of open questions for the owner and other members of the organization about this guy.
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My sister had to change jobs because she was dating a co-worker. Don't remember if they were engaged or not when she changed jobs.
How you go about it is a big deal. If you're ahead of it, transparent w/ HR vs trying to keep it low key, but getting found out.
Correct. Most companies will allow and make accommodations so people can continue relationships if they do choose. This is probably difficult when you’re talking about coach of an NBA team but you’re 100% correct.
This also reinforces my point about the trust, judgement, etc questions this raises when it’s your coach.
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I can’t speak for women, but men are when they let the smaller brain lead them.
My sons seemed shocked to learn that every female friend and relative I have in my age range was sexually harassed in the workplace, including me.
When I complained to a higher up supervisor, he told me this guy had done this before, they thought he was over it, and they would assign me to projects where I did not have to work with him. He never received any discipline that I was aware of and I eventually learned of four other women he harassed.
My situation was less dire than my sister, who was threatened with put out or get out. Her first job out of college. She tried to quit and when a higher up found out why, they terminated her harasser. He had a history as well.
There are reasons for rules against this crap, the rules are repeatedly disclosed, and people still do it. There may have been a process where the sex would be ok but he apparently did not bother.
I think it happens more than anybody thinks. More to women then men but it still happens to men also. Some times it is easy to spot (like what happened to your sister), other times it can be joking around/banter that had increasingly grew between people and then got taken a little too far or much.
Well this is the overriding narrative today. Except it doesn’t sound good for him. Sounds like there is more to the story and the organization really screwed it up. He’s not necessarily getting his job back, one year suspension, re-evaluated after that.
Yeah, it sounds like there's a lot more than just a "consensual sexual relationship" going on from the reporting today. My assumption today after reading more that's come out, I'm assuming the 1 year suspension was just a placeholder while they do their due diligence before terminating him.
