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michaelrr1

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I'm kind of coming to grips with the fact that maybe the B12 doesn't have a top 4 team this year, but still pretty ticked about last year where TCU passed the eye test as a top 4 team before CCGs, the week of CCGs, and was clearly at least #2 after bowls yet wasn't involved.

Basically even if the B12 doesn't obviously deserve a team I'll still be ticked if not represented among the first 8 teams involved when the conference consistently ranks in the top 3 conferences every season.

The committee got it right last year. That was obvious before the playoffs and even more so after it was proven on the field of play.
 

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Last year the worst team was Florida state and should have been left out but no way are they leaving out an undeafeted national champion. Don't lose a 21 point lead to Baylor in the fourth quarter. I have watched it multiple
times and still can't figure out how tcu lost that game
 

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The committee got it right last year. That was obvious before the playoffs and even more so after it was proven on the field of play.

They may have gotten it as "right" as possible but it was clear that Ohio State and TCU were the best football teams at the end of the playoff. TCU wasn't involved. It was far from a perfect system. Dropping TCU from 3 to 6 for little reason did them no favors.

Did you watch TCU last year? They were blowing the doors off of everybody and were much closer to being undefeated than OSU and certainly every other team in the nation.
 

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TCU was the 2nd or 3rd best team last year, I think that is pretty obvious. Ohio State, Alabama, and TCU were a class above everyone else overall.
 

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TCU was the 2nd or 3rd best team last year, I think that is pretty obvious. Ohio State, Alabama, and TCU were a class above everyone else overall.

Maybe it's just the system will never be fair with only 4 teams, but you can't applaud it last year when TCU isn't involved in a "playoff". Some don't get this can be said without slamming Ohio State and their playoff performance but it's truth beyond argument.
 
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Maybe it's just the system will never be fair with only 4 teams, but you can't applaud it last year when TCU isn't involved in a "playoff". Some don't get this can be said without slamming Ohio State and their playoff performance but it's truth beyond argument.

Someone is always going to get left out. Oregon was ranked ahead of TCU in almost every poll, Florida St was the undefeated, defending national champ. There's always going to be a team or two that can ***** about getting left out.
 

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Someone is always going to get left out. Oregon was ranked ahead of TCU in almost every poll, Florida St was the undefeated, defending national champ. There's always going to be a team or two that can ***** about getting left out.

But I wouldn't care if the team ranked #9 deserved to be #7 instead and got left out of an 8-team playoff. It feels a lot better to say "Sorry, too bad" to that team, instead of to one that lost by 3 points on the road against a top 10 team and won all of its other games in a good football conference.
 

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Someone is always going to get left out. Oregon was ranked ahead of TCU in almost every poll, Florida St was the undefeated, defending national champ. There's always going to be a team or two that can ***** about getting left out.

I'll stop *****ing when a TCU/Iowa/Baylor with a similar resume gets chosen over an Ohio State. I doubt it'll ever happen unless they reintroduce the computer component for at least part of the process.
 

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But I wouldn't care if the team ranked #9 deserved to be #7 instead and got left out of an 8-team playoff. It feels a lot better to say "Sorry, too bad" to that team, instead of to one that lost by 3 points on the road against a top 10 team and won all of its other games in a good football conference.

Yes, with 8 teams the 9th team will almost always have some fatal flaw where they "blew it".

TCU's flaw was losing a poorly officiated game by an eyelash on the road to a top 10 team. Ohio State's was losing at home to a 6-6 team. It was a tough choice, but I think the wrong choice if the goal in college football is to run the table as it has always been.

The system we have now is one where you can still leave out a team that has a legit claim to a national title, an 8 team playoff wouldn't be, especially if you reserve a token spot for an unbeaten non P5.
 

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They may have gotten it as "right" as possible but it was clear that Ohio State and TCU were the best football teams at the end of the playoff. TCU wasn't involved. It was far from a perfect system. Dropping TCU from 3 to 6 for little reason did them no favors.

Did you watch TCU last year? They were blowing the doors off of everybody and were much closer to being undefeated than OSU and certainly every other team in the nation.

TCU didn't "drop" in the last week of the season. Other teams passed them after finishing with a better overall body of work. TCU didn't do itself any favors with their nonconference schedule.
 

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TCU didn't "drop" in the last week of the season. Other teams passed them after finishing with a better overall body of work.

Those are some semantic cartwheels. I saw TCU drop from #3 to #6 in the committee's rankings.
 

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TCU didn't "drop" in the last week of the season. Other teams passed them after finishing with a better overall body of work. TCU didn't do itself any favors with their nonconference schedule.

How did they pass them? Ohio State and TCU had basically identical SOS last season. If you want to talk non-conf how about Ohio State getting spanked at home by a bad team in non-conf. Since it's about that let's put TCU>OSU by miles.

TCU was by far the closest team to being undefeated other than Florida State entering Bowl/Playoff play and FSU played a weaker schedule.

You can make arguments for the 4 that got in, but they simply did not have better resumes. They just did not. It's not going to be nice and neat every year. Last year it was not because the AP #2 team was left out. I'll eat my shoes if the team that gets left out like that is ever a Michigan, USC, Alabama. It's rigged. They had a perfectly fine non-rigged ranking with the thirds split of coaches/harris/computer avg.
 

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How did they pass them? Ohio State and TCU had basically identical SOS last season. If you want to talk non-conf how about Ohio State getting spanked at home by a bad team in non-conf. Since it's about that let's put TCU>OSU by miles.

TCU was by far the closest team to being undefeated other than Florida State entering Bowl/Playoff play and FSU played a weaker schedule.

You can make arguments for the 4 that got in, but they simply did not have better resumes. They just did not. It's not going to be nice and neat every year. Last year it was not because the AP #2 team was left out. I'll eat my shoes if the team that gets left out like that is ever a Michigan, USC, Alabama. It's rigged. They had a perfectly fine non-rigged ranking with the thirds split of coaches/harris/computer avg.

You lose all credibility, and I mean ALL, if you believe TCU had a tougher nonconference schedule than Ohio St.

TCU was passed in the final week of the season as other teams played better teams that final game, Ohio St in very impressive fashion. No one's resume was complete until that point. The rankings the previous week were incomplete, and based off of incomplete seasons. Those rankings are for fans, generating interest, and making $$$. I'm happy to see that the rankings can change from week to week and aren't based off of the previous week's rankings.
 

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You lose all credibility, and I mean ALL, if you believe TCU had a tougher nonconference schedule than Ohio St.

TCU was passed in the final week of the season as other teams played better teams that final game, Ohio St in very impressive fashion. No one's resume was complete until that point. The rankings the previous week were incomplete, and based off of incomplete seasons. Those rankings are for fans, generating interest, and making $$$. I'm happy to see that the rankings can change from week to week and aren't based off of the previous week's rankings.

TCU had similar SOS to Ohio State and better than FSU. Do you understand what that means? I don't think it's as black and white as you think, if it were what I just said would not be the case.
 

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You lose all credibility, and I mean ALL, if you believe TCU had a tougher nonconference schedule than Ohio St.

TCU undoubtedly had a stronger non-con resume than OSU did. 3-0 with a win over Minnesota compared to 3-1 with a loss to a 6-6 ACC team.