Texas forums/CF agree: new big 12 is 2nd tier G5 (edit)

[knowlesjam]

In a lot of ways its ashamed that the NIL has happened. It will allow a lot of those teams who "used to" have success to begin paying players to come and play for them. We were beginning to see a bit of shift in the top tier teams, but with the advent of NIL we'll simply see teams raiding the star players from other teams.

And yet, will that actually help these teams? What's the work ethic of a player that sells themselves to the highest bidder? How does that team mesh when you have a handful of players making $500,000/yr while the rest (70-80) get less than $10,000? Really, only Alabama and to a lesser extent, Ohio State, Georgia, and Clemson, have shown the ability to long-term succeed with 5-star athletes. The rest...not so much. So yes, NIL is going to cause some movement, and those with the $'s will get more players for the $'s, but it doesn't guarantee success.

 

[Bader]

I think they added the "/CF Agree" which I don't understand why they would add a claim that the site or community agrees with the title.

I'm pretty confident the OP did to be funny/out of frustration. The original title was something along the lines of Longhorn Tears, then the thread devolved into realignment banter

 

[Bader]

And yet, will that actually help these teams? What's the work ethic of a player that sells themselves to the highest bidder?

The same as the place you and I work, and the same as a NFL lockerroom

How does that team mesh when you have a handful of players making $500,000/yr while the rest (70-80) get less than $10,000?

The same as the place you and I work, and the same as a NFL lockerroom

 

[AuH2O]

OU and their fans will soon find themselves wondering WTF they were thinking going to be SEC when they lose 3 games a year and the only CFP championship they'll sniff is a leftover Bama jock strap left in the visitors locker room in Norman.
Texas will eventually right their ship because they've got more money than God.
The Aggies will be back to playing second fiddle in the state.
Hide and watch.

The rest of us will just have to fight on, but at least it will be more competitive for the championship now that ou is gone.
But one thing will never change and that's OU SUCKS!

Let me know when Riley leaves OU and Texas hires a good coach that gets the time needed to get the rot out of that soft ass ***** culture. Then we might see UT actually achieve something. Until then I just expect more dimwits in baby **** orange talking about play calling and ‘bad’ recruiting being the problems.

 

[Ostateman1]

Let me know when Riley leaves OU and Texas hires a good coach that gets the time needed to get the rot out of that soft ass ***** culture. Then we might see UT actually achieve something. Until then I just expect more dimwits in baby **** orange talking about play calling and ‘bad’ recruiting being the problems.

Yes, a bunch of them do, but if you notice the ranking of recruiting classes over the last 10+ years, UT has always had high ranking recruits.
This is where ISU and OSU coaches are killing it. Both our HCs are taking 3 star talent and coaching them up to 4-5 star playing ability.
You've got walk-ons, we've got walk-ons that are playing NFL football now thanks to our coaching staffs' ability to coach.
UT will eventually get an "Urban Meyer" type that is strong enough to go up against the Longhorn Illuminati as well as coach. Texas really doesn't have to recruit -- they just put out offers.

But no doubt about it, Lincoln Riley at ou is really good and they just plug and play.
This is where UT and everyone else would love to be. And I hate ou.

I used to tell people that would ask me, "Why do people choose ou over OSU?" and I'd reply, "Because it's easier to spell.".

And that sums up a lot of their fan base. It's Oklahoma's pro football team.

But most OSU fans have actual ties to the university and have actually stepped into an OSU classroom at some point in their lives.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Yes, a bunch of them do, but if you notice the ranking of recruiting classes over the last 10+ years, UT has always had high ranking recruits.
This is where ISU and OSU coaches are killing it. Both our HCs are taking 3 star talent and coaching them up to 4-5 star playing ability.
You've got walk-ons, we've got walk-ons that are playing NFL football now thanks to our coaching staffs' ability to coach.
UT will eventually get an "Urban Meyer" type that is strong enough to go up against the Longhorn Illuminati as well as coach. Texas really doesn't have to recruit -- they just put out offers.

But no doubt about it, Lincoln Riley at ou is really good and they just plug and play.
This is where UT and everyone else would love to be. And I hate ou.

I used to tell people that would ask me, "Why do people choose ou over OSU?" and I'd reply, "Because it's easier to spell.".

And that sums up a lot of their fan base. It's Oklahoma's pro football team.

But most OSU fans have actual ties to the university and have actually stepped into an OSU classroom at some point in their lives.

Texas will never be good again until they blow up the entire ad around the football program.

The culture is dog **** toxic. Too many donors wanting their say. Strong coaches want nothing to do with it. It’s not worth the headaches, and the money isn’t that much better. They will have another new coach in 2-3 years, who will also be a Herman and sark type, and the cycle will continue

they hired a guy like that in beard. He coaches the wrong sport.

 

[AuH2O]

Yes, a bunch of them do, but if you notice the ranking of recruiting classes over the last 10+ years, UT has always had high ranking recruits.
This is where ISU and OSU coaches are killing it. Both our HCs are taking 3 star talent and coaching them up to 4-5 star playing ability.
You've got walk-ons, we've got walk-ons that are playing NFL football now thanks to our coaching staffs' ability to coach.
UT will eventually get an "Urban Meyer" type that is strong enough to go up against the Longhorn Illuminati as well as coach. Texas really doesn't have to recruit -- they just put out offers.

But no doubt about it, Lincoln Riley at ou is really good and they just plug and play.
This is where UT and everyone else would love to be. And I hate ou.

I used to tell people that would ask me, "Why do people choose ou over OSU?" and I'd reply, "Because it's easier to spell.".

And that sums up a lot of their fan base. It's Oklahoma's pro football team.

But most OSU fans have actual ties to the university and have actually stepped into an OSU classroom at some point in their lives.

I just find it crazy that UT fans and writers see recruitment as being at all part of the problem, thinking they need to bring in some ace recruiter as a head coach. As you say, a huge improvement in recruiting is going to mean maybe 1 more 5 star guy and a couple more 4 stars. It isn't going to matter.

Their problems are all about when the players are on campus. Whether it's offseason or in practice, they should have good to great players at every position based on their recruiting. Yet they don't. They've had a massive $ advantage over everybody in the conference, and they can't win. And they think getting a little more money (but losing the big $ advantage) in the SEC is going to help?

I think they just thought they were getting soft under Brown, swung hard in the other direction with a hardliner in Strong, and when that failed swung hard in the opposite direction and got another players coach in Herman. Now they are falling for this young QB-centric coach trend and hired a guy who was a complete failure as an OC with the Falcons, and was mediocre as a HC. His success was based on outmanning every opponent at every position. And by the way, he didn't develop any of that ability.

Sark was a bad hire. And I think those that don't know it are going to soon. And they are going to waste another couple years and it's glorious.

 

[AirWalke]

I think you guys are crazy if you think the Longhorns leaving the conference won’t have an impact. Being able to kick Texas in the teeth on a regular basis has to be a major recruiting tool. Now the remaining Big 12 schools won’t have that anymore. [/sarcasm]

Edit: adding the sarcasm tag. My dry humor didn’t translate well.

 

[Ostateman1]

I think you guys are crazy if you think the Longhorns leaving the conference won’t have an impact. Being able to kick Texas in the teeth on a regular basis has to be a major recruiting tool. Now the remaining Big 12 schools won’t have that anymore.

I don't recall anyone saying anything about Texas leaving the Big 12 as not having an impact. But since you brought it up, YES, both ou and UT leaving will have a huge effect on the conference. Not only will we giving up our annual beatdown of Texas for all recruits to see, we'll be missing them and games in Austin. Beating the king of Texas was awesome for our program as well as yours.
Of course, we certainly didn't enjoy andy similar success in Norman, but recruiting against ou in Oklahoma is not that big of a deal. We only get a few guys out of Oklahoma. Most of our recruits are from Texas so it's very important that we continue a strong presence in the state.

And it is my hope that ou and UT suffer greatly in the SEC. I see them both counting on losing 2-3 games more per year as they face SEC talent instead of TT and KU talent.
This is the most enjoyable thing about them leaving the conference.

Also, it has been projected that there will be another MAJOR alignment of Div 1-A football within the next decade that may just be the end (thankfully) of the NCAA.
Once that takes place, all bets are off.

 

[Ostateman1]

I just find it crazy that UT fans and writers see recruitment as being at all part of the problem, thinking they need to bring in some ace recruiter as a head coach. As you say, a huge improvement in recruiting is going to mean maybe 1 more 5 star guy and a couple more 4 stars. It isn't going to matter.

Their problems are all about when the players are on campus. Whether it's offseason or in practice, they should have good to great players at every position based on their recruiting. Yet they don't. They've had a massive $ advantage over everybody in the conference, and they can't win. And they think getting a little more money (but losing the big $ advantage) in the SEC is going to help?

I think they just thought they were getting soft under Brown, swung hard in the other direction with a hardliner in Strong, and when that failed swung hard in the opposite direction and got another players coach in Herman. Now they are falling for this young QB-centric coach trend and hired a guy who was a complete failure as an OC with the Falcons, and was mediocre as a HC. His success was based on outmanning every opponent at every position. And by the way, he didn't develop any of that ability.

Sark was a bad hire. And I think those that don't know it are going to soon. And they are going to waste another couple years and it's glorious.

UT is soft and out of shape. This is why they can't hold a lead in the second half.
HC Mike Gundy told his Cowboy team a week before the game that they'd be in a 4 quarter game, but that the Cowboys were better conditioned and stronger, longer than UT.
And that proved to be the truth.

I was at the game and could see how much the Longhorns were gassed in the second half.
Gaps became larger and the pursuit slower.
And we won!

So did you.

 

[CascadeClone]

Sark was a bad hire. And I think those that don't know it are going to soon. And they are going to waste another couple years and it's glorious.

Totally agree with your diagnosis of UT problems.

As for the above -- not our problem anymore, that's someone else's disaster now. Like my ex-wife.

 

[AirWalke]

I don't recall anyone saying anything about Texas leaving the Big 12 as not having an impact. But since you brought it up, YES, both ou and UT leaving will have a huge effect on the conference. Not only will we giving up our annual beatdown of Texas for all recruits to see, we'll be missing them and games in Austin. Beating the king of Texas was awesome for our program as well as yours.
Of course, we certainly didn't enjoy andy similar success in Norman, but recruiting against ou in Oklahoma is not that big of a deal. We only get a few guys out of Oklahoma. Most of our recruits are from Texas so it's very important that we continue a strong presence in the state.

And it is my hope that ou and UT suffer greatly in the SEC. I see them both counting on losing 2-3 games more per year as they face SEC talent instead of TT and KU talent.
This is the most enjoyable thing about them leaving the conference.

Also, it has been projected that there will be another MAJOR alignment of Div 1-A football within the next decade that may just be the end (thankfully) of the NCAA.
Once that takes place, all bets are off.

I was just being cheeky. Kind of an compliment-insult directed towards Texas. They can go Hook themselves.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Maybe. I’m not sold any of these teams will be any better than TCU and WVU in the long run. They came in really good and now are mostly middle of the pack teams now.

They mentioned during a WVU game this season the the had 6(?) 9+ win seasons in the nine years before joining the B12 and 1 in the nine since joining.

 

[JM4CY]

Financially and the circlejerk media are the only impacts of Texas leaving. Neither of which have to do with actual football.

 

[Reteur]

It's a game, well played Lowa state team on Sunday

 

[CyCloned]

From Burnt Orange Nation's recap article. Fans are gonna run Sark out of town before the season ends.

The four-consecutive blown halftime leads are the most in the FBS in the last 15 seasons — the issues for first-year head coach Steve Sarkisian are historic after Texas fired Tom Herman following a 7-3 campaign and a tenure that never featured the type of defeats that have happened multiple times this season.

Herman never lost as badly as Texas lost to Arkansas. Herman never lost as badly as Texas lost to Iowa State. Herman never blew a 21-point lead like Texas did against Oklahoma. Herman never blew an 14-point lead like Texas did against Oklahoma State. Herman never blew an 11-point lead like Texas did against Baylor.

Well, he's not wrong. l never understood the firing of Herman, unless there is some undisclosed off the field stuff that lead to it. Sure he didn't win the national championship but for the most part the team was fighting to win games. This year's longhorns have taken the second half off in several games.

 

[legi]

I don't recall anyone saying anything about Texas leaving the Big 12 as not having an impact. But since you brought it up, YES, both ou and UT leaving will have a huge effect on the conference. Not only will we giving up our annual beatdown of Texas for all recruits to see, we'll be missing them and games in Austin. Beating the king of Texas was awesome for our program as well as yours.
Of course, we certainly didn't enjoy andy similar success in Norman, but recruiting against ou in Oklahoma is not that big of a deal. We only get a few guys out of Oklahoma. Most of our recruits are from Texas so it's very important that we continue a strong presence in the state.

And it is my hope that ou and UT suffer greatly in the SEC. I see them both counting on losing 2-3 games more per year as they face SEC talent instead of TT and KU talent.
This is the most enjoyable thing about them leaving the conference.

Also, it has been projected that there will be another MAJOR alignment of Div 1-A football within the next decade that may just be the end (thankfully) of the NCAA.
Once that takes place, all bets are off.

Most of our recruits are not from TX. Maybe 1 or 2 per class.

 

[isucy86]

I think you guys are crazy if you think the Longhorns leaving the conference won’t have an impact. Being able to kick Texas in the teeth on a regular basis has to be a major recruiting tool. Now the remaining Big 12 schools won’t have that anymore.

Your giving Texas too much credit. Kids want to play in big games in big environments.

The new Big12 will be at a disadvantage initially but 2-3 of the schools need to step up and be top 15 programs.

People speak of some glorious football history at Texas. Since Darrell Royals left, every head coach was eventually let go. Only 2 of 7 coaches had a win % over 65% (Akers & Brown). The other 5 coaches since 1975 have gone 124-98-2, a win % slightly over 55%.

I would consider an elite season as going 10-2 or better during the regular season. Mack Brown did that 7 times from 2000-2009. Otherwise Texas has only had 5 ten win seasons over 35 years.

Over the same period OU has 23 seasons winning 10 or more games during the regular season.

 

[20eyes]

I think you guys are crazy if you think the Longhorns leaving the conference won’t have an impact. Being able to kick Texas in the teeth on a regular basis has to be a major recruiting tool. Now the remaining Big 12 schools won’t have that anymore.

Full disclosure, I believe the best eventuality for ISU (the only real sustainable option) is a B1G invite.

And I agree that UT & OU leaving is not good. But with regard to Texas I think more than beating UT the value is playing in Texas. Lubbock and Waco are obviously not nearly as desirable DFW but we're "in" DFW with TCU. And, as mentioned our current staff doesn't recruit Texas with the same emphasis as previous staffs.

 

[CascadeClone]

Your giving Texas too much credit. Kids want to play in big games in big environments.

The new Big12 will be at a disadvantage initially but 2-3 of the schools need to step up and be top 15 programs.

If the new guy at TT can get them recruiting well, playing well, and winning games... They won't ever supplant Texas or A&M, but they sure could make them look like all-hat-no-cattle for a long long time. (In fairness, Jimbo has TAMU getting it done)

Tech could be a seriously good and winning program, with a shot at the CFP every year. I get they are "third place" in the state, but if they start finishing Top3 of the Big12 every year, go to the CFP once or twice, and winning a lot - they could absolutely be a flagship for the Big12. The media take would be "why can't Texas do as good as Tech when they have so much more money?"