Texas needs to go

[tm3308]

Hey eric, how long do you think it will take for the big 10 to implode......... i figure with tOSU problems they may last another year or two.....................poor iowa will be left out in the cold -- probably have to play in conference USA. I feel for them. Too bad they don't have a big power like texas to save them.

Let's at least be realistic, here. At this point last year, the Big 12 collapsing was a VERY real possibility. It ended up holding together, but there were a couple weeks where things really didn't look good at all. This time around, it seems more like there a people in the media who would like to see it happen, and try to encourage the rumors. That's not to say that they all hate the Big 12, they just would like to see something as interesting (that's understating it) as mass expansion, with major players like Texas and Oklahoma on the market.

The Big Ten isn't going to end up getting hurt by OSU that much. It's looking like they're going to get little more than a slap on the wrist. So that revenue stream is in no danger.

But, I agree about the OP. It's a year too late, if not simply overstated.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

This I can certainly buy. A&M would do the same thing, if they could. But they're so strongly tethered to Texas (by politics), I don't really see it happening unless one of the other bigger players jumps ship first.

I totally agree. A&M likes to think they are far more powerful then they really are. Without Texas and their rivalry most people wouldn't even know that A&M exists.

 

[keokuk1]

I will try to give you a real answer. First off, I have no problem with Texas being the big dog here in the conference. Look at them...they are in terms of TV's...revenues....footprint. It just is.

Secondly, I think you are under the misunderstanding that having Texas in our conference hurts us. They bring a boatload of money to the conference. Is it equal sharing? No, but if you go look at the actual numbers, the difference is like a million bucks or something, it's not like Texas is getting 90% while the rest of us get the scraps. Our income is going up huge. And this is important to a school like ISU that always has to do more with less. I know this is your first post but if you would read the threads, you'd see this common rebuttal....that money will do more for ISU than it will for Texas. They have already blown way past the point of diminishing returns. 5 million extra for us means something...for Texas..not so much.

In addition to just revenue, they usually field some pretty good teams making competition better....making the conference stronger. They bring face time to the conference, strengthening every member.

Name one school that could replace Texas that would:
A) Bring in the same amount of Clout
B) With said Clout...not want to do the same thing Texas is doing now.


Even the Longhorn network helps every other school in the conference. If there is a match or game against them and we do well...How nice is that as a recruitment tool..."here's some footage of us kicking the snot out of Texas...on their own network". This is could be big for Texas recruits especially...their families will be able to at least watch them play against Texas.

Also now after this year...every conference game will be Televised...I know the Big 10 has already had this but we haven't. This evens the playing field.

So while I can see where you think you are coming from, your suggestion to drop Texas would be impossible firstly, and Secondly would hurt every member of the Big 12. The answer is simply having another team that has the same clout as Texas to balance the scales if you're worried about that. Oklahoma would like to be but just doesn't have the TV's. In a wet dream...Notre Dame "could" be that team. But that's a whole other subject.

Now this makes since I can see your argument for staying with Texas. I guess I'm of the same mind set of another Hawk poster and that is I don't trust them. In fact I don't really trust any of the Big 12 south schools but at this point I guess ISU doesn't have any other opptions. Maybe if the Big 12 stays together for a few more years and ISU can have some success that will make them more attractive to another BCS conferance like the Big Ten. One can hope.

 

[QBUMizzou]

We actually need to boot Mizzou.....those sluts.

Bwuhahaha!!

I really did laugh out loud. And I really needed a laugh this morning.

At least Mizzou is a somewhat sexy slut.

 

[QBUMizzou]

Why, for the love of all that's holy, would anyone boot Texas?

That's suicidal.

 

[tm3308]

I will try to give you a real answer. First off, I have no problem with Texas being the big dog here in the conference. Look at them...they are in terms of TV's...revenues....footprint. It just is.

Secondly, I think you are under the misunderstanding that having Texas in our conference hurts us. They bring a boatload of money to the conference. Is it equal sharing? No, but if you go look at the actual numbers, the difference is like a million bucks or something, it's not like Texas is getting 90% while the rest of us get the scraps. Our income is going up huge. And this is important to a school like ISU that always has to do more with less. I know this is your first post but if you would read the threads, you'd see this common rebuttal....that money will do more for ISU than it will for Texas. They have already blown way past the point of diminishing returns. 5 million extra for us means something...for Texas..not so much.

In addition to just revenue, they usually field some pretty good teams making competition better....making the conference stronger. They bring face time to the conference, strengthening every member.

Name one school that could replace Texas that would:
A) Bring in the same amount of Clout
B) With said Clout...not want to do the same thing Texas is doing now.


Even the Longhorn network helps every other school in the conference. If there is a match or game against them and we do well...How nice is that as a recruitment tool..."here's some footage of us kicking the snot out of Texas...on their own network". This is could be big for Texas recruits especially...their families will be able to at least watch them play against Texas.

Also now after this year...every conference game will be Televised...I know the Big 10 has already had this but we haven't. This evens the playing field.

So while I can see where you think you are coming from, your suggestion to drop Texas would be impossible firstly, and Secondly would hurt every member of the Big 12. The answer is simply having another team that has the same clout as Texas to balance the scales if you're worried about that. Oklahoma would like to be but just doesn't have the TV's. In a wet dream...Notre Dame "could" be that team. But that's a whole other subject.

I don't see the LHN helping the other schools in terms of recruiting. They're getting what, one or two games? Fair bet that that game(s) won't be the OU, A&M, or OSU games. And, far more often than not, the teams outside of those three are rarely going to BEAT Texas, much less beat them handily. More likely, the games that are on the LHN will be the games perceived as much easier to win. ESPN will want the big games.

And in regards to Notre Dame, I don't really see that as an improvement. They already have their own private TV deal for football, and if they were in the Big 12 they'd be at least trying to do the same thing that Texas is doing.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Why, for the love of all that's holy, would anyone boot Texas?

That's suicidal.

Agreed. Really.... what Big XII school doesn't want to make C-USA level tv revenue?

 

[CycloneErik]

Why, for the love of all that's holy, would anyone boot Texas?

That's suicidal.

He's a Hawkeye. With notable exceptions, that tends to be a special kind of stupid.

 

[keokuk1]

They would probably throw in a left nut too.

I really need to ignore this kind of comment but you and I both know its ISU that would give every body part they have and the body part of ever family member to be in the Big Ten. As far as having Texas I think the Big Ten would only take them under certain conditions, conditions Texas would never except so that is a marriage that will never happen.

 

[jaretac]

Why, for the love of all that's holy, would anyone boot Texas?

That's suicidal.

Battered wife syndrome?


I'm not saying I want Texas to leave, but they do use us and the rest of the Big 12. Could we continue on as a BCS conference without Texas, probably, but we would be weaker. This is the conundrum. My problem with your post is that you act like there is no future without Texas like they are your fearless leader and the other schools couldn't possible survive without Texas showing them the way. Lets act like grown ups here.

 

[keokuk1]

Why, for the love of all that's holy, would anyone boot Texas?

That's suicidal.

How about they'er leaving anyway and maybe your only option to save the Big 12 is to boot them before OU, and A&M go to the SEC. I can see the argument that some have posted that keeping Texas is one of the only options you have but sometimes what may look like the crazy thing to do is the only thing to do. Keep Texas UO. and A&M go and the Big 12 crumbles, boot them and you at least have a chance at saving the Big 12.

 

[CyFan61]

I really need to ignore this kind of comment but you and I both know its ISU that would give every body part they have and the body part of ever family member to be in the Big Ten.

And there it is...

Was only a matter of time before the Squawk fan brought this up.

GTFO...

 

[tm3308]

Battered wife syndrome?


I'm not saying I want Texas to leave, but they do use us and the rest of the Big 12. Could we continue on as a BCS conference without Texas, probably, but we would be weaker. This is the conundrum. My problem with your post is that you act like there is no future without Texas like they are your fearless leader and the other schools couldn't possible survive without Texas showing them the way. Lets act like grown ups here.

I actually considered presenting this argument earlier. A minor difference: while Texas beats on schools like ISU, both on the field (typically, anyway) and in conference politics, they end up giving a lot of money to schools like ISU.

So the lower-revenue schools serve as the battered wife, but the husband will take you on a shopping spree after he's finished. If that makes any sense, and I don't mean to offend anyone with that analogy.

 

[QBUMizzou]

How about they'er leaving anyway and maybe your only option to save the Big 12 is to boot them before OU, and A&M go to the SEC. I can see the argument that some have posted that keeping Texas is one of the only options you have but sometimes what may look like the crazy thing to do is the only thing to do. Keep Texas UO. and A&M go and the Big 12 crumbles, boot them and you at least have a chance at saving the Big 12.

Uh, I think you're missing something. If Texas goes indy, A&M and Oklahoma will definitely go to the SEC.

 

[keokuk1]

And there it is...

Was only a matter of time before the Squawk fan brought this up.

GTFO...

And as soon as I posted it I thought to myself this is a mistake because thats not why I'm here. This type of banter is stupid and I am stupid for even responding to it.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

I actually considered presenting this argument earlier. A minor difference: while Texas beats on schools like ISU, both on the field (typically, anyway) and in conference politics, they end up giving a lot of money to schools like ISU.

So the lower-revenue schools serve as the battered wife, but the husband will take you on a shopping spree after he's finished. If that makes any sense, and I don't mean to offend anyone with that analogy.

In that regard it totally beats being with Nebraska. They would beat you up and then steal your wallet, your checkbook, your 401k, and then they would turn you upside down and shake you just to make sure they got any change in your pockets too. BASTARDS!!!!

 

[keokuk1]

Uh, I think you're missing something. If Texas goes indy, A&M and Oklahoma will definitely go to the SEC.

How do you know that? I would think that adding 3 schools like TTCU, Memphis, and maybe a BYU would be enough to at least make them consider staying. The one thing you can bank on is if Texas stays the Big 12 is done.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I've got reservations when it comes to Texas, and I was glad that we stopped pursuing them. Yes, they're a cash cow. But bringing them in is somewhere along the line of selling your soul to the devil. Yes, you get a ton of money, but then you have to put up with the headaches. The Big Ten schools didn't really need the money, so I never saw it as a risk worth taking. In a conference with unequal revenue sharing, having that cash cow in the conference is very important for a school that doesn't make as much revenue.

But Texas also knows that they own schools like ISU, because they're (Texas) the lifeline. That's rarely a good position to be in. But, a good portion of the conference IS in that position, so until an A&M or OU actually pulls the trigger, nothing will happen. Too many schools are tethered to Texas.

I just don't trust them at all. They've already destroyed one conference (SWC), essentially sent the Big 12 into turmoil last year (They're the reason that Nebby, Mizzou, Colorado wanted out), and stoked the coals again this year. I can certainly understand why ISU wants to stick with Texas. I just don't trust them as far as I can throw them. And have you tried throwing a 423.5-acre campus? Bet you don't get it very far.

Your take on Nebraska, Missouri, and Colorado is not accurate. First, Nebraska is upset with Texas because Texas beat them at their own game, and that game is greed. From the beggining it has taken 75% of the schools to effect change in the conference, particularly on equal revenue sharing. Unfortunately, there has been a coalition of four schools preventing that change and looking out for their own best interests. Guess which schools were part of that alliance? Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, and Nebraska. If Nebraska seriously wanted to change how the conference operated, all they ever had to do was vote with the other 8 schools and change would take place. But Nebraska didnt want that kind of change - the kind of change they wanted was being what they once were in the Big 8 and what Texas became in a decade - they didnt want to be an equal with 11 other Big 12 schools, they wanted to be King Daddy over all of them. So, just to stick it to Texas, they decided to do the very thing they've been opposed to - joined a conference with equal revenue sharing. Fans of the 8 Big 12 schools aren't upset that Nebraska left for the Big 12 - any of our schools would have if extended an offer. What we're upset about is Nebraska's outright hypocrisy in pretending they had battered wife's syndrome when stating that Texas drove them out of the Conference when their actions had everything to do with the instability all along. The B1G may like to come to Nebraska's defense when it comes to climbing to the top of the water tower to defend Nebraska's honor, but the fans of the smaller schools know the truth - Nebraska is just as bad as Texas. By the way, have fun with Nebraska while the "pretty girl" is paying attention to you - in less than a decade you'll realize she's not all she's cracked up to be.

As far as Missouri and Colorado wanting out of the Big 12 - please. The've wanted into the Big 10 and Pac 10 respectively going back to the Big 8 days. Can't blame Texas for that - they weren't in conference with us back then. But you know who was - Nebraska, and they were King Daddy back then...

 

[19210]

I don't think your understanding what I'm saying, yes with Texas as part of the Big 12 no the Big 12 is toast, get them out and there is a good chance the Big 12 will not only survive but could even be better then it was.

I don't see why we should bag on the guy. At least he didn't come over here and say you CyClowns suck and nobody wants you. He even stated we would be a good fit for the Big 10.

I think a lot of people are a little too sensitive and like to puff out their chests too much. Not all fans of a particular fanbase are bad. Lets don't act like arrogant arses ourselves. We've always prided ourselves on welcoming other fanbases so only rip the arrogant ones not the ones who are here to start a conversation.

 

[jaretac]

I really need to ignore this kind of comment but you and I both know its ISU that would give every body part they have and the body part of ever family member to be in the Big Ten. As far as having Texas I think the Big Ten would only take them under certain conditions, conditions Texas would never except so that is a marriage that will never happen.

I really don't think so. A couple of years ago maybe, but the Big 12 is quickly catching up to the Big 10 in revenue and most fans would rather plan Big 12 schools because of tradition and competition. Lets face it, the Big 12 runs circles around the Big 10 most of the time.

As for Texas, I agree that they won't go the way of the Big 10. If anything happens to Texas it will be them going independent. One thing is for sure at this point, Texas thinks they hold the cards and as long as the agree to stay in the Big 12 everyone will just fall in line to make them happy. There are schools that resent that still and until the Big12 unitedly stands up to Texas, defection is going to continue to be a worry in the Big12.