A base would be a nifty power running back, an accurate passer, a possession receiver, a dependable punter, a decent middle linebacker, and a lock down safety. Then add the rest from the cornfields and Florida or Texas. We have the punter.
The Have's and the Have Not's
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A base would be a nifty power running back, an accurate passer, a possession receiver, a dependable punter, a decent middle linebacker, and a lock down safety. Then add the rest from the cornfields and Florida or Texas. We have the punter.
It would also suggest that we ought to be able to beat NDSU, who sits at #124, and that we should be a lock against #129 UNI.
This argument is getting tiresome. NDSU beat KSU. They should burn down their program also. These are two quality FCS schools who have played in the same system for years. If anything this is an argument to maintain some coaching stability.
I thought you said we are where we should be because of our budget. I guess that isn't what you really meant.
Ah, but we were beat by two FCS opener teams, not just one.We were saving ouselves for the next game. It is a long season.
Man, this is such a tired and uninformed take. Yes, NDSU beat us. But there is no way they would be anything other than a lower tier team in our league. Look at the first few years of TCU and WVU. They both had superior talent to NDSU.
2013
TCU 2-7
WVU 2-7
2012
TCU 4-5
WVU 4-5
They wouldn't come in and do any better than that. Anyone can get up for one game. But it is getting up for game after game after game.
Neither of those programs were built playing the schedules that ISU has had to play have they. So not Apples to Apples. Unless people are saying we should drop down to the Missouri Valley for say five years build up our program and jump back into the Big 12 and we'll be great which is ludicrous. What it does suggest is that stability has gotten those teams to where they are. So when they come in here at the beginning of the year they have experienced players playing a system they have played their entire career and execute it a high level. We however rarely have had a offensive coordinator more then two years. So if you look to UNI and NDSU as role models then that suggests you are for stability in coaching. Welcome aboard.
BTW the only P5 schools with smaller budgets are Washington State, Colorado, Utah and Georgia Tech. Of these I would say we are most similar to Washington State. Utah built it's brand in the Mountain West and carried that momentum into the Pac12. Colorado not exactly setting the world on fire anymore. Georgia Tech has history and huge recruiting advantages over ISU.
Outsider view.
ISU should be comparable with K-State, oSu and TTech, year-to-year/sport-to-sport. Very similar institutions in many ways, that I don't need to explain to you. Thus, it's mostly about coaching. Get rid of Leach and go to Tupperville, what comes of Red Raider football? Get rid of Woolridge and go to Huggins, what happens to K-State basketball? ISU has most always been good in hoops because you have the right coaches up there. Same will be true of football once that happens.
Now as for donations, that's clearly an A.D. issue. K-State has done a ton of building lately - all paid for by donations. Tech likewise. Of course, oSu has sugar daddy Boone. Personally, I can't believe the engineers, farmers and vets down here are any more prosperous than the same type guys who matriculated in Ames.
BTW, had Bill Snyder gone to ISU rather than K-State, the Cats would probably competing in the Mountain West today.
ISU should be comparable with K-State, oSu and TTech, year-to-year/sport-to-sport. Very similar institutions in many ways, that I don't need to explain to you. Thus, it's mostly about coaching. Get rid of Leach and go to Tupperville, what comes of Red Raider football? Get rid of Woolridge and go to Huggins, what happens to K-State basketball? ISU has most always been good in hoops because you have the right coaches up there. Same will be true of football once that happens.
Now as for donations, that's clearly an A.D. issue. K-State has done a ton of building lately - all paid for by donations. Tech likewise. Of course, oSu has sugar daddy Boone. Personally, I can't believe the engineers, farmers and vets down here are any more prosperous than the same type guys who matriculated in Ames.
BTW, had Bill Snyder gone to ISU rather than K-State, the Cats would probably competing in the Mountain West today.
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The difference is that K-State football is the top dog in the state. I don't know this for sure because I largely don't care about K-State but I will bet the winning happened before the donations happened. Once Snyder retires or dies, K-State will fall back to ISU's level.
agree. $$$ pay these kids and cheat. Everyone else does... (cough... the deep south..cough)
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview
If K-State hires a CPR type guy, you're absolutely correct. We know Ron Prince. And that's my point. It's all about coaching.
Just stop with this infernal woe is me malarkey. Alabama was 3-8 in 2000 and 4-9 in 2003. Texas A&M was 4-8 in 2008 and 6-7 in 2009. Auburn was 3-9 in 2012. Florida stinks this year. The last time LSY stunk? The last time they had a mediocre coach (AKA not names Miles or Saban) as they fired Gerry DiNardo after he opened the '99 season 2-8. Hire a great coach, build great facilities and the rest takes care of itself. It's probably not a coincidence that when the elite programs have had mediocre coaches, they "suddenly" haven't been able to land elite recruits and sucked but when they had elite coaches they were able to land elite recruits and win big. Yes, there is a natural advantage that the SEC teams in their more fertile recruiting grounds but it hasn't prevented them from all sucking at some point in the last 15 years. Get a great coach and great recruits will want to play for them.
Maryland is a terrible example. They are straddled with debt. There was an uproar when Debbie Yow took the NCSU AD job and left Maryland with crapload of debt. Their debt problem was one of the primary reasons they left the ACC (where they were a charter member) for the Big 10. They invested heavily into stadium and arena improvements at the peak of both sports. As soon as the papers were signed on the construction projects both basketball and football took a nosedive, ticket sales plummeted, and the athletic department went pretty much belly-up. If their AD was in the black at the time, I honestly think they would have passed on the Big 10 offer, but they just didn't have the choice, financially.
