The Jerry Kill Comparison

[northwoodscy]

Show me a B12, P12 or SEC coach who is consistently winning 6-9 games at a non-traditional power and I'll be impressed like some people are here with Minnesota right now. I'm seeing absolutely zero from them that I haven't already seen from some of ISU teams over the past 10-15 years, we haven't been able to maintain it but like you said even our current coaches have hit that success.

Really?

Arizona
Arizona State
Duke
Baylor
Kansas State
Louisville

Hell Kentucky may make a bowl and they have a much tougher schedule than us. Enough about the past bowl games too, are we trending in the correct direction? Will we make a bowl next year? 76 teams make bowls every year. 76!

 

[clonedude]

I doubt if we could beat Iowa again right now if we played them, but Iowa is laughably bad as well. They have nothing to hang their hats on at all.

They've played only 2 teams now that have winning records, and got their rear ends handed to them by both of them. And their other loss is to freakin' Iowa State. That's about as bad as it gets.

And to think they will still go to a bowl game. Just pathetic. They aren't even an average team right now.

 

[DuckDynastyCy]

I don't get it. Are NSDU and Kansas not garbage? Why cant we beat them?

Minn absolutely white-washed Iowa

NDSU beat MN. Twice.

 

[Stormin]

Illinois is 25 places higher then ISU in the polls. I really dont see any change for ISU if they were in the Big 10, they did lose to an FCS school 2 yrs. in a row.

ISU is higher than Illinois, Purdue, and Indiana in the Sagarin ratings.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

 

[hawkedup]

ISU is higher than Illinois, Purdue, and Indiana in the Sagarin ratings.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

I used as of today CBS top 126

 

[awd4cy]

NDSU beat MN. Twice.

You mean like 4-5 years ago before Kill built up the program?

 

[hawkedup]

I doubt if we could beat Iowa again right now if we played them, but Iowa is laughably bad as well. They have nothing to hang their hats on at all.

They've played only 2 teams now that have winning records, and got their rear ends handed to them by both of them. And their other loss is to freakin' Iowa State. That's about as bad as it gets.



And to think they will still go to a bowl game. Just pathetic. They aren't even an average team right now.

Iowa has only played 2 teams with a losing record ( at time of game ) ISU, Northwestern, the same can be said for ISU Texas and Kansas. Also IOWA is ranked #44, ISU is ranked #103. Of course with a rank and record like IOWA they would go to a Bowl.

 

[khardbored]

Well Mn. already played TCU. They have Ohio State ( 8-1 ), Neb.(8-1) and Wisc.( 7-2) left. ISU has TT ( 3-6), WV ( 6-4), and TCU which has played Mn. already. 7 Big 10 teams are 6-3 overall or better, Big 12 has 4 that are 6-3 or better. The Big 10 bottom 2 schools IU #80 , Purdue #87 // Big 12 Bottom 2 schools KU #97 , ISU #103...
So YES, not by much maybe but yes, to your question. The reason ISU is falling is the next 2 opponents. MN is rising due to their final opponents.

Iowa has only played 2 teams with a losing record ( at time of game ) ISU, Northwestern, the same can be said for ISU Texas and Kansas. Also IOWA is ranked #44, ISU is ranked #103. Of course with a rank and record like IOWA they would go to a Bowl.

So, just to be clear, Mr. HawkedUp, you think that Minnesota has a slightly more difficult strength of schedule this year -- for the whole season, past and future than ISU?

Therefore, you are saying that if Minnesota played ISU's exact schedule in the Big XII this year, they would have the same record or slightly better?

 

[Clone9]

Iowa has only played 2 teams with a losing record ( at time of game ) ISU, Northwestern, the same can be said for ISU Texas and Kansas. Also IOWA is ranked #44, ISU is ranked #103. Of course with a rank and record like IOWA they would go to a Bowl.

Yes, because of all of this, Iowa didn't lose to ISU at home.

Oh wait. Yeah they did.

Iowa sucks. Objectively worse than Iowa State does. For sure you're not even in the conversation with Minny, so why are you even in this thread?

 

[hawkedup]

So, just to be clear, Mr. HawkedUp, you think that Minnesota has a slightly more difficult strength of schedule this year -- for the whole season, past and future than ISU?

Therefore, you are saying that if Minnesota played ISU's exact schedule in the Big XII this year, they would have the same record or slightly better?

NO, I am saying Mn. doesnt have as weak a schedule as some think. I think ISU would be exactly where they are now if they were in the Big 10. I doubt they would beat IOWA , but that is their main goal. I think Mn. would kill ISU. there is only two worse power 5 teams Vandy and Wake.

 

[hawkedup]

Yes, because of all of this, Iowa didn't lose to ISU at home.

Oh wait. Yeah they did.

Iowa sucks. Objectively worse than Iowa State does. For sure you're not even in the conversation with Minny, so why are you even in this thread?

I was replying to a comment about IOWA, with this quote you used.
IOWA is far ahead of ISU , which is hardly worse. They have had 2 losing seasons out of the last 9 yrs. , while ISU has had only 1 winning season.

 

[cylove]

Yes I do remember people questioning his health. I was on the fence myself. I also dont get the head-to-head argument for a comprehensive view across 6 years. One game we won against them, great. We also beat OSU, does that mean we are comparable to Okla St.

Hyperbole aside, I think Minn is better than ISU today. I like Kill and would take him/Clays/Limegrover over CPR/Mangino/Wally.

Also, Kill has done this with zero fan support. Zero. He is reduced to writing op-eds in the paper begging students to come to games. Brand new TCF stadium and all. Gophers will never be top dog in the cities, but its funny that IS has great fan support and a crappy product, while Minn has zero fan support and a decent product---B1G not-with-standing.

As i said, he can only beat who is on his schedule. He cant control that Mich is garbage, Penn St is garbage, Neb is garbage, Iowa is garbage, etc...

OK, mr gopher, try to understand this, now it is logic and b1g fans fail that test repeatedly.

Because they play the ********* of the ******, it isn't as tough to win games against them. How did they do when they lined up against TCU?

Interesting that he was a couple points away from back to back losses to purdue and illinois. That screams, well we are the best of a bunch of horrible teams. Congrats, you have acheived Dan McCarney status.

 

[cylove]

2 weeks ago the Big 12 had 40% of the conference ranked below 70, 22% of the Big 10 was ranked below. ISU would have to play in the ACC to get the amount of wins you think. Lowest rated Power 5. Btw, ISU is the third lowest ranked Power 5 ahead of Wake Forest and Vandy.

Hey everyone the dochowhateverthislosershandleisonhn is back to be made fun of repeatedly

 

[hawkedup]

Hey everyone the dochowhateverthislosershandleisonhn is back to be made fun of repeatedly

Oh now dont you be crying, its hard for you but ISU cant be ranked far below all the Big 10 teams forever.. lol

 

[cylove]

Jerry Kill has trended up every program he has ever stopped at. When he took the job in Minnesota he was on the record and transparent of how he was going to be relevant in the Big 10. He was open with the media, recruited his type of players, played an easy schedule, qualified for some bowl games, got buts back in TCF Bank, and is still improving the gopher program. Everyone dismissing him and his cupcake schedule you're missing the point

The point that it is easier to catch up to teams that play like where flies go after they have been on **** all day long IS the point.

And it is not being missed

 

[cylove]

Why? We played well enough against KState and Texas to beat most Big Ten teams on those days. That's 4 wins if we still beat the Big Ten team we did get to play and Toledo, sub out a conference team for another horrible team and that's a chance at 5 with a few left to play.

There are several clearly bad Big Ten teams that will make bowls this year, there is a bad Big Ten team that's been in and out of the rankings.

You have to start by realizing that you are confusing the **** out of this guy. The nerve of you explaining why he is wrong on every level, using these mystical things like facts and logic has him staring blankly at his computer screen with his mouth hanging open, drool coming out, screaming out "winning" attitude and getting yelled at for waking up his mother.

It isn't fair watching you all do this to him.

 

[sqfuzzy]

Iowa is terrible and I have the unfortunate misfortune of being a Hawk fan. Iowa plays a laughable schedule and still sucks...I do believe Iowa has some talent but it won't see the field ahead of upperclassmen and the HBC is either a mad genius for getting paid 4 million a year for the product he puts on the field or just plan mad.

Either way, watching/following Iowa or ISU football is not a healthy experience for us fans.

 

[sqfuzzy]

You have to start by realizing that you are confusing the **** out of this guy. The nerve of you explaining why he is wrong on every level, using these mystical things like facts and logic has him staring blankly at his computer screen with his mouth hanging open, drool coming out, screaming out "winning" attitude and getting yelled at for waking up his mother.

It isn't fair watching you all do this to him.

I really don't believe any ISU fan can say they would be winning 6+ games a year in the Big Ten with any certainty. It's not like Lucy would stop pulling the ball away from you just because you changed conferences. She'd still be there waiting for the perfect moment...and well, you guys know how it ends.

Anyways, maybe I'm wrong. Watching Iowa football has really diminished my joy of football and my outlook has grown quite negative. Hopefully ISU rights the ship and makes many bowls in the future, good ones, not crappy ones.

 

[cylove]

I really don't believe any ISU fan can say they would be winning 6+ games a year in the Big Ten with any certainty. It's not like Lucy would stop pulling the ball away from you just because you changed conferences. She'd still be there waiting for the perfect moment...and well, you guys know how it ends.

Anyways, maybe I'm wrong. Watching Iowa football has really diminished my joy of football and my outlook has grown quite negative. Hopefully ISU rights the ship and makes many bowls in the future, good ones, not crappy ones.

Please understand that was one of our "fans" that does nothing but find reasons to complain without acknowledging all of the reasons for the way things are the way they are. You have many many of those too.

As far as competing in the b1g, it would be much much much much much much much much much much much MUCH easier for Iowa State to compete with and beat with any sort of regularity the indianas the purdues the illinois and yes the minnesotas than what we currently have.

THAT is a fact, which cannot be disputed. Does that mean we will win, no. Just that it will be easier.

 

[hawkedup]

Please understand that was one of our "fans" that does nothing but find reasons to complain without acknowledging all of the reasons for the way things are the way they are. You have many many of those too.

As far as competing in the b1g, it would be much much much much much much much much much much much MUCH easier for Iowa State to compete with and beat with any sort of regularity the indianas the purdues the illinois and yes the minnesotas than what we currently have.

THAT is a fact, which cannot be disputed. Does that mean we will win, no. Just that it will be easier.

Here's facts for you, Big 10 recognized National Titles ranked #2 with 40/ Big 12 recognized NT ranked #4 with 19. You still think yr. in and yr. out ISU would compete better in a conference that has more then double the National Titles then the conference they are in? That is laughable.

You do also know that Mn. has won 6 National Titles, ISU has won 0 and 0 conference championships in over 100 yrs. How can you try and make fun of a school that has history of winning and ISU never has?