The McDermott "System"

Wesley

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I don't have to be an astronaut that has walked on the moon to know it's not made of cheese!

I have coached...certainly never at a major college. Then again, I have never claimed that I did.

I have not evaluated any recruits here on this site. I have just expressed some sincere skepticism about kids from small Nebraska towns that score 30 a night being able to translate that into dramatic impact at a major college BB program. The examples being given to the contrary (Mike Miller, etc) notwithstanding...the reality is that it is the exception, rather than the rule, to see this type of kid excel on the next level (assuming a major DI program).

At the end of the day, if it is required that we have coached an NCAA team in order to comment on a coach or that we have played at a major college in order to comment on the players at ISU then my guess is that there would be virtually no discussion at all on this board.

Maybe, we should only allow former Presidents to vote for President too! How can the rest of us idiots possibly know what it takes to be President?!

Loren Meyer and Homan did okay from a small school.
 

acody

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Greg McDermott was hired as our BB coach on 3/21/06 (roughly two years ago). Many who post on this board make numerous references to the fact that this is a "new" system and that our players are "learning" the system.

I have two questions...when do you think the system will no longer be considered "new" and how long do you anticipate it will take a typical player to "learn" the system?

I'd like a technical basketball analysis. What is the McDermott system? Break it down for me. Thanks.:confused:
 

Wesley

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THE McD SYSTEM

Play controlled ball from a set of 250 plays, slowly move the ball up court, run a lot of slow screens/picks, work the ball around as much as possible, do not take a quick shot, wait for a good shot, do not find an opening so fling it up at the end of the shot clock. Use 50 out of bounds play. Hit the outside shot and shoot 45% or more.
Do not fast break unless under duress. Avoid turnovers.

Play defense strenuously with a man in front of every shooter. Do not foul. Just try to have a hand in shooters face. Call timeouts galore.

You end up looking less athletic than you may, you may be in a game, you will not win big unless the other team is terrible. Just want to win by one and not make the over for the game/credits.

THE WAYNE SYSTEM

Play defense enough so you can get a rebound out to a guard who can push the ball up court. Shoot if you see the rim. Drive the lane. Use a full court press at times.Never pass up a shot if available. Get the loose balls. Do not coach much during timeouts - let your players reflect. Get Hilton rocking.
 

benjay

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Yet times are changing. You think Linkliter will have a free pass for 3-4 years at Iowa? He is 7-8 and going nowehere this year.

Are you not able to look at the context when evaluating a program? He inherited an extremely weak talent pool and his best player transferred. He wasn't expected to do anything this year. In fact, most Iowa fans I've talked to feel he's doing a great job with the players he's got. I'd be absolutely shocked if he didn't get at least 4 years to build his team.
 

tufnel

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Given the TOTALLY different styles of coaches Morgan and Mac, I'll say 3-4 years to learn and effectively "intall" his sytem. This means getting the type of players that he wants to execute his system.......I am a absolutely dumbfounded by the people on this board who think we should be an open-court team after less than 2 years under Mac after bashing that style of play under Morgan!! I don't care how much you THINK you know about basketball, you don't know 1/10th of what any D-1 coach does!! As for the 250 individual set plays he tries to run, if you believe that, I have some Real Estate you might be interested in. There may be endless variations or options to a motion style offense, but do you seriously think he's asking his players to memorise them....they conme within the flow of an offense.

Bottom line: If, in a few years, we are not happy with the results, changes will be made (Pollard has shown he's not shy) but I think alot of people on here are not seeing the big picture.
 

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Floyd did have 2 players that knew his system his second season Willoughby did transfer from New Orleans and redshirted a year so he did have 3 years in Floyds system. Jacy was a sophmore so he was also in that system year. Good luck finding a 3sone of JUCOs that could play like Bankhead, Pratt, and Cato, oh they cannot get into trouble. 2 of those players were in the NBA for a bit as well. Lets not forget Coach Orr had the program in a little better shape than it was in when Mac took over and that helped out a bunch with Floyds success.

Why not compair Mac to Eustachy as well. All he did in his second season was win a conference title, win the Big 12 tourny, and get screwed out of a National Title:wink:. But dont forget 3 of those players ended up in the NBA as well.

Heck Morgan did have a good second year as well. Maybe Mac is underacheiving.

Dont blast some kid because he is from a small school in Nebraska. There have been some great college players come from small schools in Iowa.
 

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Are you not able to look at the context when evaluating a program? He inherited an extremely weak talent pool and his best player transferred. He wasn't expected to do anything this year. In fact, most Iowa fans I've talked to feel he's doing a great job with the players he's got. I'd be absolutely shocked if he didn't get at least 4 years to build his team.

He has a 6 year deal for 1.2 per. They couldn't buy him out even if they wanted to.
 

cyclonenum1

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I think if you did a little research and used a little common sense, you'd find that's not the norm. It's pretty standard to allow a basketball coach 3-4 years to find success at a new school.

Just as it is not the "norm" for kids recruited from small rural towns to come in and make a big impact at the major DI level?
 

cyclonenum1

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Loren Meyer and Homan did okay from a small school.


Again, I never said that no one from a small rural school ever has success at the major DI level...however having that success is certainly the exception rather than the rule. Do you not agree?

Maybe the kid from NE will be an exception...I hope so. However, I'm not penciling him in as a starter next year at ISU because he can drop 30 on Yutan. Especially after seeing the pictures of him and how slight of build he is.
 

cyclonenum1

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I'd like a technical basketball analysis. What is the McDermott system? Break it down for me. Thanks.:confused:

Great question! All of you that continually exhort us to "give it time" and tell us that "were doing it the right way" and "we have to wait 3 or 4 years" because "it's a new system" and it "takes the players time to learn the new system" should help out with the answer here.
 

clone52

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THE McD SYSTEM

Play controlled ball from a set of 250 plays, slowly move the ball up court, run a lot of slow screens/picks, work the ball around as much as possible, do not take a quick shot, wait for a good shot, do not find an opening so fling it up at the end of the shot clock. Use 50 out of bounds play. Hit the outside shot and shoot 45% or more.
Do not fast break unless under duress. Avoid turnovers.

Play defense strenuously with a man in front of every shooter. Do not foul. Just try to have a hand in shooters face. Call timeouts galore.

You end up looking less athletic than you may, you may be in a game, you will not win big unless the other team is terrible. Just want to win by one and not make the over for the game/credits.

THE WAYNE SYSTEM

Play defense enough so you can get a rebound out to a guard who can push the ball up court. Shoot if you see the rim. Drive the lane. Use a full court press at times.Never pass up a shot if available. Get the loose balls. Do not coach much during timeouts - let your players reflect. Get Hilton rocking.

First off, you are wrong on parts of McDermott's system. "slowly move the ball up court" and "Do not fast break unless under duress." are both completely wrong. McDermott has no problem with fast breaks. In fact, he encourages it. He just demands that his players know when to pull the ball out if nothings there.
 

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First off, you are wrong on parts of McDermott's system. "slowly move the ball up court" and "Do not fast break unless under duress." are both completely wrong. McDermott has no problem with fast breaks. In fact, he encourages it. He just demands that his players know when to pull the ball out if nothings there.

No offense, but how do you know he encourages it? Are you there at the practices when he encourages it? In the huddles? I was just wondering where you're getting that information.
 

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We all should email Pollard and tell him cyclone#1 would be a heck of a football and basketball coach. We would win championships and get a 2 for the price of 1 coaching deal!
 

cyclonenum1

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We all should email Pollard and tell him cyclone#1 would be a heck of a football and basketball coach. We would win championships and get a 2 for the price of 1 coaching deal!

Sorry, my friend, no twofers on my services!
 

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No offense, but how do you know he encourages it? Are you there at the practices when he encourages it? In the huddles? I was just wondering where you're getting that information.

I don't mean to argue with you because I agree with most of your posts, but in cyclone52's defense McDermott did say on the post game locker room show that he likes to push the ball when the opportunity is there. I think that McDermott really stresses good decisions and wants to keep turnovers to a minimum. I think as our guards develop we will push the ball more and more.
 

Cyfan13

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I don't mean to argue with you because I agree with most of your posts, but in cyclone52's defense McDermott did say on the post game locker room show that he likes to push the ball when the opportunity is there. I think that McDermott really stresses good decisions and wants to keep turnovers to a minimum. I think as our guards develop we will push the ball more and more.

I wasn't even disagreeing with Clone52. I just wanted to know where he got that information. He said it as if he KNEW that, and I just wanted to know how he knew that.
 

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