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Here's my concern about TE: With Soehner, you had a guy who could be a lead blocker, could seal the edge and could catch a pass down the middle. Rus is probably a better lead blocker and Dean is probably a better receiver. But, you take away some of the unpredictability when you are playing those two guys vs Soehner. It's a pretty sure bet that when Rus is in, we are going to be running behind him. If Dean is in, can he block well enough to be effective? Or, does Chase Allen take some of that role and we go less 3 TE sets?
 

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Here's my concern about TE: With Soehner, you had a guy who could be a lead blocker, could seal the edge and could catch a pass down the middle. Rus is probably a better lead blocker and Dean is probably a better receiver. But, you take away some of the unpredictability when you are playing those two guys vs Soehner. It's a pretty sure bet that when Rus is in, we are going to be running behind him. If Dean is in, can he block well enough to be effective? Or, does Chase Allen take some of that role and we go less 3 TE sets?

From what I've heard, Rus is more of an all around player...aka not as good of a blocker but better at route running/pass catching. With that being said...It seams that Dean may be better at both....like a more physical version of Chase Allen. Campbell has been quite high on him.
 

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Can Sean Shaw be a Hakeem Butler type player for us? Doesn't need to catch a lot of passes, just enough to keep those safeties off the line of scrimmage. Or do any of the newcomers fit that mold?
Kinda sounds like Ezeriah Anderson (now listed at 6’5” 230) might be the best bet for a physical Hakeem role. Earned comments from the coaches in the spring.
 

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You failed to account for Soehner's passing in your TE stats. Which TE is filling that gap? I would assume it is Easton Dean...

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I think it was Coach Mouser who said all the tight ends are competing to see who is the best passer, to replace Soehner’s golden arm. They’re having fun with it.

Of course, the reporters asked if that wasn’t Dean—but Mouser was having way too much fun with it to answer that.
 
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- A #2 RB to emerge (I disagree with original posters take on Kene, Kene was great in backup duty and a guaranteed 5 yards a pop, that's what got him drafted)
I’m not sure what take you think you’re disagreeing with here. That’s exactly my take on Kene. I just happen to think that Jirehl gets used more often.

And thus ends up with more yards.
 

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Not to be a smart ass, but do you think that Campbell and Manning are not aware of these observations.
I follow recruiting fairly closely. I apologize if I even inadvertently made any sort of implication like this.

As it happens, I really like how we’ve been recruiting WR’s.
 

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I would agree. The #2 back is set in stone I would think. The idea of having a one two punch especially in the key games to keep Breece fresh will be great.
I would agree with this. I expect we will see Brock as the feature back in something like the first drive of the second quarter or the third drive of the game. If Breece may indeed be involved in the return game he is going to need more help carrying the load than he had last year.
 

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Here's my concern about TE: With Soehner, you had a guy who could be a lead blocker, could seal the edge and could catch a pass down the middle. Rus is probably a better lead blocker and Dean is probably a better receiver. But, you take away some of the unpredictability when you are playing those two guys vs Soehner. It's a pretty sure bet that when Rus is in, we are going to be running behind him. If Dean is in, can he block well enough to be effective? Or, does Chase Allen take some of that role and we go less 3 TE sets?
What I’d add to that is:

A. Rus appears to be more like Sam Seonbuchner. Only he claims to be a better runner and ball catcher—both of which, if they prove true, would provide Tom Manning with options.

B. With everyone justifiably talking about Dean, they seem to be slipping right over DeShawn Hanika. Not only is he athletic as well, since Spring the coaches have repeatedly said that he is the best in-line blocker of the bunch.

Oh, and:

C. It sounds right now kinda like we’ll see about as much of Tyler Moore this year as we did Dean last year. Not a whole lot.

But things change.
 
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Just stopped in to say this thread title is maybe the single most offensive ever used.


Sorry, but it’ll come to you eventually.
Good one!

I was actually waiting to hear someone complain that they’d had a heart attack with the thread title, because they thought that the offense had decommitted.
 
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While I will agree Purdy does try too hard to make a play that isn't there, sometimes you just need him to try and make a play. How many times in the last 3 years has he escape a rush and pass faked his way to a first down? The key is to be good enough that ISU is not in so many desperate situations, like the end of the championship game. ISU is going to miss the Brett Farve in him more than a lot of fans think.
 
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That is a good post aclone! One of the biggest things IMO that can help the offense is having better special teams. Our special teams cost us so many yards in field position by giving up returns and basically getting no yards back on punt returns. With improvements in kicking/coverage game and some semblance of a punt return game, we would fare much better in the field position battle and our point production would have a solid increase.

I also agree with the false starts/illegal formation. Those always would seem to come at the worst times (red zone and short yardage).

THIS. I just finished watching the Championship Game replay. We start the game by kicking out of bonds. Then, gave up long KO returns, Simply mindboggling how inept we are at covering KO's. There just seems to be NO priority on these plays, beginning with the special teams coach.
 

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While I will agree Purdy does try too hard to make a play that isn't there, sometimes you just need him to try and make a play. How many times in the last 3 years has he escape a rush and pass faked his way to a first down? The key is to be good enough that ISU is not in so many desperate situations, like the end of the championship game. ISU is going to miss the Brett Farve in him more than a lot of fans think.
Yes, it was only 3rd down, with time left.
 

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It starts with the offensive line as they are the guys who allow everyone else the time (QB/WRs) and space (Breece) to do their jobs. With Downing back, increased experience, a real offseason to condition (excited to see full offseason gains with Andrews), and tremendous depth I expect this unit to take it up a notch from their late season, peak performance. An area where they at times struggled was pass protection, something not accurately reflected by the numbers. Purdy was running for his life in several games last year, with Louisiana (understandable there) and Texas really standing out. The latter showcased Purdy putting on a clinic as far as being able to evade pressure and often make something positive out of it. Simply put, there were a lot of games where Purdy didn't have a clean pocket.

With improved pass protection (less communication breakdowns also being a factor in this) and a vastly improved receiving corps on paper, I expect Purdy to have a much easier time throwing the ball this year. In addition I'm expecting the staff will utilize more play action passing, capitalizing on the attention Breece is bound to receive. If Purdy somehow improves some of his own weakness, for instance long ball accuracy and or arm strength, watch out.

Offense and special teams have the ability to make massive improvements, things the average college football fan seems to overlook. On that note our STs were almost the sole reason we lost to Louisiana. If we can just be average there (instead of terrible) it will put points on the board offensively as well as take some off on the other end.
 
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B. With everyone justifiably talking about Dean, they seem to be slipping right over DeShawn Hanika. Not only is he athletic as well, since Spring the coaches have repeatedly said that he is the best in-line blocker of the bunch.
Here is Hanika from last years roster:

83DeShawn HanikaTE6-6236R-Fr.Topeka, Kan. (Hayden)
What is his weight up to this year?
When does CF update to the current football "roster"? First game or before a few days?
 

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