*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Boxerdaddy]

Since I'm a Cyclone fan it's my job to find the bad from the good.

Is OVER-expansion a possibly? I think of the 16 team WAC and the incredible flop that was. We go to 16 and it gets unruly ....Texas then forms a coalition and breaks away like the Mountain West did from the WAC....ISU sits at the table with the Forgotten 4 again and we form some type of new WAC-ish conference

I'm cool at 12. We know that can work. 14/16 members has a questionable track record.

no Louisville either way

I've been meaning to post this for weeks...exactly the same thoughts here. Once you go to 16...you really have two conferences...and potential for a split. I'm usually a very optimistic person but that scares the crap outta me in the longterm...unless there goes to some 64 team system with 4 major conferences. But would really like to see how the 14 turns out first...

 

[HFCS]

Agreed. I think these three are pretty equal. Not much difference on the field (there is a difference academically but none of this has been about academics). Their histories are a bit different but the product now is similar. And with the turnover at Pitt and trouble at Miami, that may not be the case for long. And I don't think either has a huge fanbase or a national following.

If all things are equal, I would much rather have a team that WANTS to be here than one that settles on being here.

I don't get why so many think Pitt offers more than Louisville to Big 12 and ISU specifically. They are an afterthought in their own market it seems. I believe Louisville's athletic budget was quite a bit bigger while being in the same conference.

If they get a huge score like FSU/ND/top ACC school I think Louisville then becomes ideal for pairing with KU in basketball, overall athletic department, new market, filling the geographic footprint logically.

In a major conference Louisville offers as much or more than Missouri imho, they certainly have stronger fan support.

 

[TXCyclones]

What are the chances that FSU and Clemson are using the Big 12 to leverage a better ACC contract with ESPN, and that the Big 12 is using FSU and Clemson to leverage ND to join with L'vol? Seems to me like that would be the apt twist to this expansion saga and everyone ends up in a decent conference, more money, and a normal-ish looking conference footprint.

No doubt that there is always a chance that its all BS. But the best part is that our previous choices were just Big East teams. Now there seems to be discord elsewhere that may be to our benefit. It will be bizarre to see the ACC fall apart before the Big East does. But I would imagine the ACC will raid the best of the Big East, and they in turn will bring up some additional smaller schools from the minors. As long as Iowa State has a seat at the grown up table and we finally have a chance to grow the program I am OK with it.

 

[colbycheese]

I've got a question about the 13 yr release of TV rights. Is that 13 years as in at any point should a team leave they would owe 13 years of TV $, or is it that starting in 2012 the school would relinquish TV $ for years up to the end of the current 13 year TV deal. An example is if Texas were to leave 5 years into the current deal would they still owe 13 years or 13-5=8 years of TV $?

Thanks

 

[weR138]

Some people read too much into things. He can't say hes for adding teams that aren't there. ND is the only independent, that's why he can mention them. Once Florida St. and Clemson and/or anyone else is officially leaving the conference, that is when they can start being mentioned as we would like to add them to the Big12.

I thought ND was in the Big East? Seems like a tortious statement by Deloss to me...

 

[cyhiphopp]

I don't get why so many think Pitt offers more than Louisville to Big 12 and ISU specifically. They are an afterthought in their own market it seems. I believe Louisville's athletic budget was quite a bit bigger while being in the same conference.

If they get a huge score like FSU/ND/top ACC school I think Louisville then becomes ideal for pairing with KU in basketball, overall athletic department, new market, filling the geographic footprint logically.

In a major conference Louisville offers as much or more than Missouri imho, they certainly have stronger fan support.

Is that really saying much though? It's like saying Louisville has better fan support thatn UNI. Not a huge accomplishment when it comes down to it.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

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[jbhtexas]

So Texas isn't allowed to have a differing opinion? I don't get the point of calling them out on this.

That's because there isn't one.

 

[CycloneErik]

I've got a question about the 13 yr release of TV rights. Is that 13 years as in at any point should a team leave they would owe 13 years of TV $, or is it that starting in 2012 the school would relinquish TV $ for years up to the end of the current 13 year TV deal. An example is if Texas were to leave 5 years into the current deal would they still owe 13 years or 13-5=8 years of TV $?

Thanks

Option 2. Texas would owe 8 years.

 

[colbycheese]

Option 2. Texas would owe 8 years.

OK... so that gives me about 11 or 12 years to not worry about realignment as an ISU fan.

 

[RustShack]

What about Miami? I could see them and/or Florida St. becoming power houses in the Big12.

 

[boone7247]

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[boone7247]

What about Miami? I could see them and/or Florida St. becoming power houses in the Big12.

That is what everyone said about them in the ACC.

 

[RustShack]

That is what everyone said about them in the ACC.

We are at least a good football conference, and I would think being here helps with recruiting more. Might not happen, just saying I could see it. I'm personally torn on it... We've done real well recruiting Florida the last few years. I know people think playing there will help us even more, but on the flip side those recruits might prefer to stay in state and still be able to be in the Big12.

 

[alarson]

Actually, I am with Dodds. Why expand? 10 is good. Maybe a few million more bucks a year, but the new contract is fine by itself.

What does Clemson really bring? Yeah they are fine, but who cares really. Florida State is fine, but ND is the real prize here. I really think adding FSU and Clemson is more trouble than it is worth. We have a great thing going with 10 right now.

I agree with him, don't expand unless you get ND. Otherwise this turns into a Texas division and everyone else, and that won't work worth a damn, we already did that.

Texas likely is hesitating on expansion because their vote is diluted. Also, if we go up and the SEC and big 10 follow by expanding, more doors are closed on them if they ever decided to take their ball and go somewhere else.

Honestly, i'll take FSU\Clemson over notre dame. Schools that want to be here, without a hugely over-inflated sense of worth that still add value to the conference. Most of our problems the last few years came from egos in the schools that left and Texas. Sure, ND brings money, and we should certainly explore adding them for #13 but what value is there in a cohesive, unified conference of equals?

As for divisional balance in the past, yes, the big 12 south was much stronger at one point. Things are cyclical in that regard (and it wasnt even that the north was that weak back then. by power ratings it can be demonstrated that the north was every bit as good as the big 10, it just looked bad because it had to go against the b12south which was as good or better than the SEC at the time)

 

[TXCyclones]

I thought ND was in the Big East? Seems like a tortious statement by Deloss to me...

ND is an independent. Their olympic sports programs (wrestling, track, etc) are aligned with the Big East, but they are not a "member" of the Big East. A similar situation would exist initially with the Big 12. But being 'aligned' does not mean that they are 'members' so they can be brought up anytime without concern of interference.

 

[boone7247]

We are at least a good football conference, and I would think being here helps with recruiting more. Might not happen, just saying I could see it. I'm personally torn on it... We've done real well recruiting Florida the last few years. I know people think playing there will help us even more, but on the flip side those recruits might prefer to stay in state and still be able to be in the Big12.

I don't think Miami gets to use being in the ACC as an excuse, the talent is at their back and front door, all they should have to do is choose which one they open (same goes for FSU). It shows how much leadership and vision actually matter.

I think the biggest thing that might help recruiting for ISU is a consolidation of power. The fewer teams with a perceived shot at the title might help bring more talent from the south to the north.

 

[HoopsTournament]

ND is an independent. Their olympic sports programs (wrestling, track, etc) are aligned with the Big East, but they are not a "member" of the Big East. A similar situation would exist initially with the Big 12. But being 'aligned' does not mean that they are 'members' so they can be brought up anytime without concern of interference.

Notre Dame is a full member in everything but football. They are not 'aligned'. Big East Conference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[HoopsTournament]

I would say NO to Miami. They add nothing that we don't get by adding Florida State.

 

[alarson]

I would say NO to Miami. They add nothing that we don't get by adding Florida State.

I wouldnt say 'nothing'. They certainly have their downsides, but they would bring viewers and are a national brand. You can have more than one team from a state if it gives you additional viewers, and Florida is a big state, plenty of viewers to go around there.