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*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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The SEC wants to go 16 in VA and NC in order to help justify their Tier 3 SEC Network. The SEC isn't going to see ESPN and CBS budge that much on renegotiating their Tier 1 and Tier 2 contracts.
If the B12 gets FSU and ND in 12.5, there are no schools left to justify further expansion to 16.
So if the SEC goes to 16 and stays at 8 conference games (they seem dead set against nine league games)...you'd play the seven teams in your division and a protected rival...and nobody else? So no Auburn-Florida, Alabama-Georgia or UT-LSU games anymore???
Once you hit 16 its easier to go to pods. You'd have your 3 pod games, then however many rivalry games, then you'd alternate the rest of the games.
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I really don't understand the hate against adding ND. Its a win win with no downside. They can't join for football right away, so we get a little trial to watch how the SEC does with 14 and if they expand. We add Florida St. and someone else to get us back up to twelve. Big12 still plays ND three to six times a year until they are ready to decide. If we need to go past twelve ND is first in. Texas can't just leave the Big12 as a partial member because ND is that way. No schools would vote to approve it, and I doubt any other conference lets them join as a partial member with the LHN.
I'm all for playing, beating, and getting a lot more money from ND.
I'm all for playing, beating, and getting a lot more money from ND.
Absolutely. Just ask the WAC.
Pods are absolutely the worst scheduling idea out there. Teams just don't play each other enough. A confederation and not a conference. I am completely not sold on the Super Conference where you don't see any one team play in your stadium but once in blue moon.
Who's the next WAC type of split? A Big 16 would have to be high on that list.
"Notre Dame had made tentative deals with both the ACC and Big 12. They were waiting to hear from the BCS about the new format before they made a decision about which conference they were going to join. Notre Dame received guarentee yesterday that BCS oversite committee would include Notre Dame in new BCS playoff format. Notre Dame has no reason to join conference in football and will renew NBC contract in 2015.
Clemson BOT is still leary about making move but are willing to go forward with FSU. Bowlsby told Clemson to sit back and wait until Big 12 was ready to move. Big 12 pressured Clemson into decision stating they would move on without them and had other options waiting if they did not decide soon. Notre Dame has been the deal breaker from the beginning. Texas made it clear that Notre Dame had to be included in this round of expansion in order for them to accept FSU and Clemson. Could also be reason expansion rumors seemed to stall (or die) last week. Big 12 waiting on ND who was waiting on BCS.
FSU has been willing to leave the ACC since Pitt and Syracuse were announced as future members of the ACC. Swaim was not 100% incorrect in reporting that UL had a shot at the Big 12. He was being used as a ploy to let Clemson know that if they did not make a decision the Big 12 would move on without them. The only other school which was being considered was BYU but were a long shot from the beginning. they were at the urging of Notre Dame. Arkansas was never being considered. Lawsuits are real possibility from Tobacco Road.
This is considered final death blow to the ACC as they are losing FSU, Clemson, and Notre Dame (essentially). Watch for other ACC schools to start to (again) explore other options.
Lastly, this information has been verified by both my sources as well as "the Dude" who I consider to be a good friend. He and I pass information back and forth on a daily basis, he is just more willing to put himself out there than I am."
Clemson BOT is still leary about making move but are willing to go forward with FSU. Bowlsby told Clemson to sit back and wait until Big 12 was ready to move. Big 12 pressured Clemson into decision stating they would move on without them and had other options waiting if they did not decide soon. Notre Dame has been the deal breaker from the beginning. Texas made it clear that Notre Dame had to be included in this round of expansion in order for them to accept FSU and Clemson. Could also be reason expansion rumors seemed to stall (or die) last week. Big 12 waiting on ND who was waiting on BCS.
FSU has been willing to leave the ACC since Pitt and Syracuse were announced as future members of the ACC. Swaim was not 100% incorrect in reporting that UL had a shot at the Big 12. He was being used as a ploy to let Clemson know that if they did not make a decision the Big 12 would move on without them. The only other school which was being considered was BYU but were a long shot from the beginning. they were at the urging of Notre Dame. Arkansas was never being considered. Lawsuits are real possibility from Tobacco Road.
This is considered final death blow to the ACC as they are losing FSU, Clemson, and Notre Dame (essentially). Watch for other ACC schools to start to (again) explore other options.
Lastly, this information has been verified by both my sources as well as "the Dude" who I consider to be a good friend. He and I pass information back and forth on a daily basis, he is just more willing to put himself out there than I am."
"The information about this weekend being important is true, but not like everything is expecting. There will be information "leaked" this weekend but it is not going to be anything official. ACC has not been notified of any departure, Big 12 has not officially voted on any "invitations". Notre Dame has not notified the Big East of their intent to leave either. Everything to this point has been straw poll and handshake deals between intermediaries and behind closed doors. There is just too much that needs to be done before anything can be made official.
As far as Notre Dame goes, if they felt they needed to be in a conference in order to be included in the new playoff they were going to join the ACC in all sports. However, since the playoff is going to consist of the top four and be left up to a selection committee Notre Dame can stay independent. Consequently, (preliminarily) the new playoff format is going to allow the committee to pick schools from the top 8 in the final BCS standings, RPI and SOS will have a bearing on decisions. Contrary to what has been tweeted and rumored this playoff format actually hurts the ACC, even if FSU and Clemson were to stay. However, this is the best Swofford could have done to at least give the ACC a fighting chance.
Do not expect the Big 12 to expand past 12 OR expect the SEC to expand any time soon. There is a gentlemans agreement between the two not to expand any further. The weaker the ACC becomes the more likely the B1G is to expand with ACC schools. Neither conference want the B1G in their footprint, ie. geographically, electronically, recruiting.
Louisville has always been an option for the Big 12. However, they fell down the list when FSU became serious about joining the Big 12. The closest UL has come to an invite lately has been a bluff by the Big 12 to get Clemson to make a decision.
There are disagreements within the Big 12 as to how the divisions will align once FSU and Clemson come aboard. It will be interesting to see who wins that battle as OU and UT are not seeing eye to eye.
The rumors of ESPN trying to undermine Big 12 expansion are false. It is actually the exact opposite. This is a win-win situation for ESPN since they will hold the media contracts for both the ACC and Big 12. Expect ESPN to explore renegotiating both the ACC and Big 12 media contracts if/when Clemson and FSU join the Big 12."
As far as Notre Dame goes, if they felt they needed to be in a conference in order to be included in the new playoff they were going to join the ACC in all sports. However, since the playoff is going to consist of the top four and be left up to a selection committee Notre Dame can stay independent. Consequently, (preliminarily) the new playoff format is going to allow the committee to pick schools from the top 8 in the final BCS standings, RPI and SOS will have a bearing on decisions. Contrary to what has been tweeted and rumored this playoff format actually hurts the ACC, even if FSU and Clemson were to stay. However, this is the best Swofford could have done to at least give the ACC a fighting chance.
Do not expect the Big 12 to expand past 12 OR expect the SEC to expand any time soon. There is a gentlemans agreement between the two not to expand any further. The weaker the ACC becomes the more likely the B1G is to expand with ACC schools. Neither conference want the B1G in their footprint, ie. geographically, electronically, recruiting.
Louisville has always been an option for the Big 12. However, they fell down the list when FSU became serious about joining the Big 12. The closest UL has come to an invite lately has been a bluff by the Big 12 to get Clemson to make a decision.
There are disagreements within the Big 12 as to how the divisions will align once FSU and Clemson come aboard. It will be interesting to see who wins that battle as OU and UT are not seeing eye to eye.
The rumors of ESPN trying to undermine Big 12 expansion are false. It is actually the exact opposite. This is a win-win situation for ESPN since they will hold the media contracts for both the ACC and Big 12. Expect ESPN to explore renegotiating both the ACC and Big 12 media contracts if/when Clemson and FSU join the Big 12."
If FSU wants in and ND is a few years away, why not include GA Tech or another ACC school if Clemson has reservations? Don't see the upside of Louisville.
Maybe it's just fun to toy with them.
Payback for last year. Not actually toward UL but.....
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They want a non football ND in my opinion to hold the conference hostage to go independent later.
All I got is TX wanting ND, has to has some under table shizz going on. Conspiracy theory I guess.
Agreed, all or nothing for ND. Texas is the one school that is bigger nationally then ND. If Texas wants to keep all sports in the Big 12 and go indy in football they would have the ability to do so along with the precedent that ND is doing it.
My favorite Blazing Saddles quote 'we'll take the Seminoles and the Tigers, but not the Irish' (without football).
If anyone gets special concessions, the were back to the BS two years ago. Your in or your out.
If anyone gets special concessions, the were back to the BS two years ago. Your in or your out.
well unless their is some special out clause in the new big 12 contract, that can't happen without giving up their TV revenue.
Ask ESPN how much national pull Texas has. Their network will be viewed by less people than the Sooner Network. No way in hell is Texas worth more without the Big 12. ND used to be the biggest pull in the country and now no one watches them win or lose. A lot of their games will likely move to the NBC Sports Network. And if the format for the new playoff is the top 4 and not conference winners, being independent is useless. No one is going to schedule ND going forward especially if conferences continue to become larger. Big 10 has made a scheduling pact with the PAC 12 and I see a similar agreement with the SEC and Big 12 in the near future. You guys realize this is going to be the PAC 12/SEC/Big 10/Big 12 and ND BUT this will be about strength of schedule so ND cant go undefeated by only playing MAC teams and expect to be part of the playoff?
So wait, based on a rumor above, ND would RENEW their NBC contract in 2015 even if they joined us in all sports?
Why would the Big 12 allow that? I would think the ONLY deal that would be made is for ND to join in all sports now and must join in football once their contract is up. If we take them knowing full well they'll stay independent in football forever, we're damn fools.
Why would the Big 12 allow that? I would think the ONLY deal that would be made is for ND to join in all sports now and must join in football once their contract is up. If we take them knowing full well they'll stay independent in football forever, we're damn fools.
I have read multiple places where ND would be in football but after the 2015 season. One article was even posted yesterday BiG 12 looking like a nice fit for Irish | Inside Notre Dame's Fighting Irish | IrishCentral
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