*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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The part that aggravates me the most about all of this is that this should be happening in the summer, not the fall. TAMU definitely couldn't swallow their pride long enough to allow that.

That being said, if Texas would have pushed through a Big 12 network to ESPN instead of their own greed, we would be in the strongest conference in the country right now.
 

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I see no reason that the BE would not expand to 12, 14, 16 in football given a chance. Now for bball admission, maybe they will take fewer schoolsm, but if you already have 20 schools, what's the diff for 4-6 more schools? It all comes down to the tournament in bball. You could do a five day 32 team bball tournament if you had to.

Interesting ramifications - "unintended consequences"? Fewer conferences would mean fewer automatic qualifiers. Now there are some "lesser" conferences which seem to exist solely for the purpose of sending the conference champ to the dance. If we eliminate a "major" conference will that slot go to another conference or would the NCAA hold it for another at-large bid.
 

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The part that aggravates me the most about all of this is that this should be happening in the summer, not the fall. TAMU definitely couldn't swallow their pride long enough to allow that.

That being said, if Texas would have pushed through a Big 12 network to ESPN instead of their own greed, we would be in the strongest conference in the country right now.

This is true - but what about everyone else? I'm sure ISU, Baylor KSU etc... were probably more than willing to pool resources and create a network but all the others want to keep their options open so they can leave at a drop of the hat. If all 9 of the schools would have gotten together to pool resources and start a Big XII network it would have reduced the impact of the LHN and made everyone more money and we all would have been happy but "those" that have options probably never wanted to unite.
 

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*** The Big 12’s pursuit of Notre Dame, Arkansas and BYU is mostly a smoke screen – a chance for commissioner Dan Beebe to show he’s being proactive.

I have been told by several sources that BYU is very happy with its status as a football Independent and having its Olympic sports in the West Coast Conference – the school and the league share many of the same values.

It’s extremely unlikely that BYU would pull its teams out of the WCC.

At most, it would join the Big 12 in a football-only capacity – but I don’t expect that to happen, either.

*** Several sources said that while the media attention is locked on the Big 12’s purported courtship of BYU, what’s really happening behind the scenes is this:

The Big 12 is considering a raid of the Big East for at least two teams and perhaps more.

The names I heard from multiple sources were Pittsburgh and Rutgers, but I have to believe others, including Louisville and West Virginia, are in play.

The notion that the Big 12 was only interested in Pitt as a package deal with Notre Dame, I was told, is rubbish


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You guys are giving way too much credit to frank the tank. Heck he even admitted it should be taken with a grain of salt.

Right. Frank the Tank is just a guy with a blog. No different than you and I spitballing on here. He has ZERO connections.
 

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*** The Big 12’s pursuit of Notre Dame, Arkansas and BYU is mostly a smoke screen – a chance for commissioner Dan Beebe to show he’s being proactive.

I have been told by several sources that BYU is very happy with its status as a football Independent and having its Olympic sports in the West Coast Conference – the school and the league share many of the same values.

It’s extremely unlikely that BYU would pull its teams out of the WCC.

At most, it would join the Big 12 in a football-only capacity – but I don’t expect that to happen, either.

*** Several sources said that while the media attention is locked on the Big 12’s purported courtship of BYU, what’s really happening behind the scenes is this:

The Big 12 is considering a raid of the Big East for at least two teams and perhaps more.

The names I heard from multiple sources were Pittsburgh and Rutgers, but I have to believe others, including Louisville and West Virginia, are in play.

The notion that the Big 12 was only interested in Pitt as a package deal with Notre Dame, I was told, is rubbish


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I really don't see why the Big East & Big XII couldn't merge. Next year you have two embattled conferences with nine members apiece. Join forces and the conference is large enough to ward off poachers, or even lose teams and still remain viable.
 

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*** The Big 12’s pursuit of Notre Dame, Arkansas and BYU is mostly a smoke screen – a chance for commissioner Dan Beebe to show he’s being proactive.

I have been told by several sources that BYU is very happy with its status as a football Independent and having its Olympic sports in the West Coast Conference – the school and the league share many of the same values.

It’s extremely unlikely that BYU would pull its teams out of the WCC.

At most, it would join the Big 12 in a football-only capacity – but I don’t expect that to happen, either.

*** Several sources said that while the media attention is locked on the Big 12’s purported courtship of BYU, what’s really happening behind the scenes is this:

The Big 12 is considering a raid of the Big East for at least two teams and perhaps more.

The names I heard from multiple sources were Pittsburgh and Rutgers, but I have to believe others, including Louisville and West Virginia, are in play.

The notion that the Big 12 was only interested in Pitt as a package deal with Notre Dame, I was told, is rubbish


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*** The Big 12’s pursuit of Notre Dame, Arkansas and BYU is mostly a smoke screen – a chance for commissioner Dan Beebe to show he’s being proactive.

I have been told by several sources that BYU is very happy with its status as a football Independent and having its Olympic sports in the West Coast Conference – the school and the league share many of the same values.

It’s extremely unlikely that BYU would pull its teams out of the WCC.

At most, it would join the Big 12 in a football-only capacity – but I don’t expect that to happen, either.

*** Several sources said that while the media attention is locked on the Big 12’s purported courtship of BYU, what’s really happening behind the scenes is this:

The Big 12 is considering a raid of the Big East for at least two teams and perhaps more.

The names I heard from multiple sources were Pittsburgh and Rutgers, but I have to believe others, including Louisville and West Virginia, are in play.

The notion that the Big 12 was only interested in Pitt as a package deal with Notre Dame, I was told, is rubbish


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Thanks for sharing. I can't believe BYU would say no, I mean that would be insane for them to not come. But you never know, BYU has a culture where they think they are on the same level as ND. Very inflated opinion of themselves, so it is possible they don't come to a rational conclusion in all of this. Absolutely crazy for BYU not to beg for an invite.
 

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I'd be fine with a Big East raid, but the idea that Beebe is doing this just to "look proactive" is ********.

If he fails, he looks even worse. No one will think "oh, well, he tried. That's cool." Which is exactly what people imply by saying he's trying to save face. There's no saving face here unless you succeed.

Also, if BYU won't join the Big 12, good luck ever playing big boy ball. Have fun with at de facto WAC schedule they're playing right now.
 

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*** The Big 12’s pursuit of Notre Dame, Arkansas and BYU is mostly a smoke screen – a chance for commissioner Dan Beebe to show he’s being proactive.

I have been told by several sources that BYU is very happy with its status as a football Independent and having its Olympic sports in the West Coast Conference – the school and the league share many of the same values.

It’s extremely unlikely that BYU would pull its teams out of the WCC.

At most, it would join the Big 12 in a football-only capacity – but I don’t expect that to happen, either.

*** Several sources said that while the media attention is locked on the Big 12’s purported courtship of BYU, what’s really happening behind the scenes is this:

The Big 12 is considering a raid of the Big East for at least two teams and perhaps more.

The names I heard from multiple sources were Pittsburgh and Rutgers, but I have to believe others, including Louisville and West Virginia, are in play.

The notion that the Big 12 was only interested in Pitt as a package deal with Notre Dame, I was told, is rubbish


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What?!? Pitt, Rutgers, West Viriginia?
 

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Big 12 football: A plan to save the conference
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on September 2, 2011M at 3:00 pm

The Big 12 floats around, waiting for some kind of plan that could save the conference. Add a Brigham Young? Maybe. Add a TCU? Perhaps. Add SMU and Houston? You’ve got to be kidding.

The truth is, there are no easy fixes for the fractured league, which has lost Nebraska, Colorado and (soon) Texas A&M in the last 15 months. Even a BYU/TCU combination might not be enough to stabilize the league. I think the Big 12 has to dream big. In this jungle of conference realignment, the Big 12 has to do unto others what was done to it. Poach on inferior leagues.

That means the Big East. I think the Big 12 has to look east.

My suggestion: Louisville, Pitt and West Virginia. That would restore the Big 12 to 12.

My better suggestion: Don’t stop at 12. Go ahead and add BYU and TCU, then look East for five additions and become the first 16-team Super Conference. Louisville, Pitt and West Virginia are the obvious. Then just keep going to the Eastern seaboard. How about Rutgers and Maryland?

I know Maryland is in the ACC, so it’s in a better conference than the Big East schools, but maybe Maryland is ready for a change. The Terrapins can’t be crazy about the Tobacco Road dominance of ACC basketball.

Anyway, how about that? The current nine members of the Big 12, plus BYU, TCU, four Big East schools and Maryland. I know it’s a long way to the Atlantic Ocean, but we’re talking about another option for OU and OSU of going to the Pac-16, which has eight schools along the Pacific. So what’s the difference?

It even makes a semblance of sense geographically. Kentucky and Missouri are border states (barely). Kentucky and West Virginia are border states. West Virginia and Pennsylvania are border states and both border Maryland. Pennsylvania borders New Jersey.

If you think the conference is too far-flung, you could drop BYU and add another Eastern school. Syracuse, perhaps, if the Orange could be convinced to leave their basketball roots. Or UConn. Then you could put Kansas State and Kansas to the Big 12 South, along with TCU, and call it the West Division. Iowa State and Missouri could join the Eastern teams.

I ran it past a Big 12 power-broker, and he liked it. I really trotted out just the three schools — West Virginia, Pitt and Louisville. He really liked West Virginia and Pitt and said Louisville might grow on him. Then he mentioned Rutgers and Syracuse. So this idea is a collaboration.

It’s got all kinds of hurdles. TV network deals. Talking Eastern basketball powers into leaving their beloved conferences, which are mighty in contemporary stature and tradition. Talking any school into coming to the Big 12, with its instability and its Longhorn Network dilemmas.

But clear enough hurdles, and it might work. It most definitely would be a better plan for promoting Big 12 stability than just adding a school or two to come in and get mad at Texas.

It’s a longshot. Probably wouldn’t fly. But the Big 12 is better of dying while trying, better off aiming high, than sitting around waiting to be picked off one by one.


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*** The Big 12’s pursuit of Notre Dame, Arkansas and BYU is mostly a smoke screen – a chance for commissioner Dan Beebe to show he’s being proactive.

I have been told by several sources that BYU is very happy with its status as a football Independent and having its Olympic sports in the West Coast Conference – the school and the league share many of the same values.

It’s extremely unlikely that BYU would pull its teams out of the WCC.

At most, it would join the Big 12 in a football-only capacity – but I don’t expect that to happen, either.

*** Several sources said that while the media attention is locked on the Big 12’s purported courtship of BYU, what’s really happening behind the scenes is this:

The Big 12 is considering a raid of the Big East for at least two teams and perhaps more.

The names I heard from multiple sources were Pittsburgh and Rutgers, but I have to believe others, including Louisville and West Virginia, are in play.

The notion that the Big 12 was only interested in Pitt as a package deal with Notre Dame, I was told, is rubbish


BCS football: The latest on realignment | College Hotline

Lets raid that ****!
 

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I can't understand the desire to be in a Pacific centric conference for Texas, OU, OSU, Tech/KU/Mizzou.

From a logical perspective, look at a map, it makes no sense. It makes a current Tech to Ames trip seem like a quick jaunt. Not to mention playing games in 3 different time zones would be an obstacle.
Exactly. Those are killer road trips ,especially for Olympic sports and mid week games.
 

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It seems that literally every report that comes out contradicts another. I wish that none of this leaked publicly, and we didn't know until actual things happened.
 
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