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Gorm

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At this point I think that ND would be foolish to join anyone other than the big 4. It think its likely if they join it would be the Big 10 followed by the Big 12. I can't see them joining the SEC and obviously the Pac 12 is out.

I think the way this shakes out is the Big 12 takes 4 more teams to 14, the SEC will stay at 14, the Big 12 will expand to 2 more teams, and the Pac-12 will likely pick up BYU and some other loser team.
 
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Gorm said:
At this point I think that ND would be foolish to join anyone other than the big 4. It think its likely if they join it would be the Big 10 followed by the Big 12. I can't see them joining the SEC and obviously the Pac 12 is out.

I think the way this shakes out is the Big 12 takes 4 more teams to 14, the SEC will stay at 14, the Big 12 will expand to 2 more teams, and the Pac-12 will likely pick up BYU and some other loser team.
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Pac 12 can take their time a little. BSU, BYU, New Mexico, UNLV, Nevada, AFA don't really have a lot of other major options. If BYU tried negotiating special treatment from Big 12 a couple years ago that is the dumbest move of all time now in hindsight.

They can see how the new conferences do at 14-16 and then add a couple if they think they need to. Boise State should be on the table for them. Vanderbilt alums love being in the lowly academic SEC. Washington State isn't Harvard. Pac 12 would need to get over themselves a little if they don't want to be at 12 forever.
 
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How come Paul of CR never has any of the conference realignment stuff?
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Paul tries to be more of a traditional journalist. He stays out of the rumor mill and tries to report only when something official is announced. Sure that doesn't feed the appetite of many, but it's nice to have someone you can rely on to report only facts in the midst of all the rumors. At least that's my impression.
 
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This conference expansion talk is too time consuming. Too many message board to keep up with, both within the conference, incoming members, outgoing members, rumored members, teams with their futures in jeoporardy, and rivals sites. All with their own unique perspective and spin. But none as big as the *****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****.
 
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Psyclone said:
This conference expansion talk is too time consuming. Too many message board to keep up with, both within the conference, incoming members, outgoing members, rumored members, teams with their futures in jeoporardy, and rivals sites. All with their own unique perspective and spin. But none as big as the *****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****.
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Thank you. *****the Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread***** needs compliments or it will start absorbing other threads. I fear for all Negative Nancies and Debbie Downers out there.
 
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Psyclone said:
This conference expansion talk is too time consuming. Too many message board to keep up with, both within the conference, incoming members, outgoing members, rumored members, teams with their futures in jeoporardy, and rivals sites. All with their own unique perspective and spin. But none as big as the *****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****.
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If he wants subscribers, wouldn't it be a good idea to put in that work?

I don't care either way, but it seems like adapting to the marketplace is a good business practice.
 
CyFan61

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@DaveSittler Big 12 expansion breakdown: 4 schools OK with it, 4 on fence, 1 pushing hard to make it happen, 1 pushing hard to prevent it
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Who's who and where does Iowa State fall in that mix? I'm guessing we are one of the four school OK with expansion. I wonder who is pushing hard, both for and against.
 
ISUAgronomist

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From that article:
John Swofford took over as commissioner of the ACC in 1997. At that time, the ACC had the richest media rights deal in college athletics and the crown jewel of the of college sports world in many peoples opinion was the ACC Basketball tournament. 15 years later Swofford faces the fight of his life to keep his league relevant in a rapidly changing world of college athletics.
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Failure to capitalize on what they had at the time.
 
jdoggivjc

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ISUAgronomist said:
From that article:

John Swofford took over as commissioner of the ACC in 1997. At that time, the ACC had the richest media rights deal in college athletics and the crown jewel of the of college sports world in many peoples opinion was the ACC Basketball tournament. 15 years later Swofford faces the fight of his life to keep his league relevant in a rapidly changing world of college athletics.
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Failure to capitalize on what they had at the time.
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It's not even failure to capitalize. In those 15 years football became king, and even the ACC saw the writing on that wall, first by adding FSU in the 1990s and then adding Miami, Virginia Tech, and Boston College in the 2000s. The ACC tried to stay relevant in football, but unfortunately for them every single football program decided to inconveniently take a dump at the same time. When Wake Forest is one of your strongest football programs year in and year out over the last decade and not Florida St, Virginia Tech, Miami, and UNC, you have problems.
 
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I'd place WVU as pushing hard for expansion.

Texas hard against?
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I bet you're right about WVU but I don't know about Texas. That was my guess at first, but I feel like expansion is right up their alley. FSU probably thinks like them in terms of 3rd-tier rights, and it's a more prominent name for them to face (Pac-16 anyone?).

How many schools need to vote in favor of an invite for it to happen in the Big 12? Is it 2/3rds? Sounds like right now it's 5-1 with 4 unsure. Need at least two of those four to vote in favor to get 2/3rds (if that is the number).
 
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I bet you're right about WVU but I don't know about Texas. That was my guess at first, but I feel like expansion is right up their alley.
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Yeah, I'm not sold on it being Texas either. Expansion will provide them more Tier 3 content for the LHN.

Not sure who would be against it. Who hates money? :mad:
 
RayShimley

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yeah, I don't see Texas being against this, especially since it has been rumored that FSU would be there protected rival. They are probably ecstatic at the prospect of getting the Noles in Austin every other year.
 
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Maybe OU?

They don't need the money (will obviously accept and use it). Texas is down so it makes it easier for them to win the conference. Afraid they will get knocked down a spot or two? FSU would be a big challenger on the field and in recruiting for them.
 
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