This isn't CSPs fault, it's CFHs fault

[psyclone51]

Figured the Prohm haters would be out in force tonight. Actually, looking at previous posts elsewhere, they are just haters. Prohm. Hoiberg. Pollock. It doesn't matter. Gotta dump on someone. If we had been realistic, we would have looked at how many new coaches coming in have a top 5, top 10 or even top 20 season in their first year. There are some, and many are within the blue bloods who have good continuous recruiting and generally the bucks to hire proven coaches. We had neither. Edit: This came out more critical than I meant. Prohm was well proven in his conference, just not in a Power 5 conference.

There is a very good reason why successful teams generally have stable coaching staffs. Yes, our recruiting has been way down the past 2 years. And yes, that is because of Fred's situation. Do I blame him? Heck, no. He was advancing his career and we got to enjoy a good chunk of that for 4 years. More power to Fred and I wish him well.

Prohm is adjusting and so is the team. Add in some disappointments with some recruits, and the loss of Naz and here we are. No surprise. Do I blame Prohm? No. He needs to be given 3 or 4 years to show what he can do.

 

[clonedude]

Fred gave us some great years, but there's no doubt that he screwed us over too.

I didn't mind him leaving for the NBA, he said he likely would if given the chance, but I thought he'd stay longer than he did AND it really ticked me off when I heard the other places he looked at going to (Gophers) before taking the Bulls job.

Fred and loyalty do not exist. He's loyal to himself, and that's it. He has no school pride.

 

[CyJack13]

Completely screwed the university that gave him a chance. Worst timing possible. Didn't recruit for two years. Lied about the Bulls job for months before he took it and screwed us out of any possible transfers. Then had a press conference to rub our noses in it. I was already disgusted by the lack of loyalty and then when he announced all of the other teams he had wanted to coach I was embarrassed for him. I still laugh at all of the losers Who had their picture taken with him at the football games after he left. Fred did major damage to the program that gave him his big coaching break.

Fred would have gotten a head coaching job in the NBA without coming back to ISU, may have taken a couple more years but it would have happened. He did a lot more for ISU than ISU did for him.

 

[acgclone]

One kid backed out and went to saint john's.

Another kid got kicked off over the summer.

They recruited another Babb.

Fred and his staff recruited Vaughn and missed.

Fred didn't stop recruiting.

You must not follow recruiting. Since Monte's class, Fred signed....... Custer (mid major at best) from the HS ranks. THAT'S IT. No one cares that we were 2nd or 3rd for Vaugh and Diallo.

They took Noskowiak and Babb after when Fred was on his way out, and they knew they had huge holes in the roster.

Fred stopped recruiting, or at least stopped landing B12 players.

 

[CyBobby]

He inherited an All American, maybe 2-3 all big 12 players. I dont feel bad for him, he isnt doing anything with this team. Prohm era will be ugly.

You could be right the Prohm era might just be a Re Run of the McDoorMat years............

 

[canker2323]

Completely screwed the university that gave him a chance. Worst timing possible. Didn't recruit for two years. Lied about the Bulls job for months before he took it and screwed us out of any possible transfers. Then had a press conference to rub our noses in it. I was already disgusted by the lack of loyalty and then when he announced all of the other teams he had wanted to coach I was embarrassed for him. I still laugh at all of the losers Who had their picture taken with him at the football games after he left. Fred did major damage to the program that gave him his big coaching break.

He took ISU to 4 NCAA tourneys in 5 years going 4-3, won 2 conference tournament titles, and the team was ranked in the top 25 when he left.

How is that doing major damage?

This site is the biggest collection of drama queens.

 

[psyclone51]

CSP is horrible. Guy has never even coached a game against a Top 10 team. He isn't using Burton or Cooke nearly enough. He uses his timeouts very poorly. The spacing that made past years teams good it gone. He focuses on defense but evidently the way he's coaching them to play ball screens is horrible. He's slowed the game down and made us a half court team. (Which we are not). He's trying to play Niang 37 minutes which all ISU fans know is not possible (Sorry Georges). The thing we aren't talking about is the ripple effect of this season. Every recruit in the nation that was considering ISU is watching these games and seeing that the freedom on the court they were interested in Iowa State for, is gone. This is sadly the beginning of a painful downfall of our short but amazing basketball run. I truly believe that Prohm has control over all of the things I mentioned. This is on him....not Freddy.

Thanks for a hilarious post full of sarcasm. At least I assume you are being sarcastic, because you can't possibly be serious. You blamed Prohm for everything except my toilet plugging. And that happened because I was trying to flush crap like this down the drain.

 

[kingcy]

There wouldn't be a program with out Fred. You should go have a glass of water and hit the hay. You'll calm down by the morning.

There were others that wanted the job when Fred was hired.

 

[CyJack13]

One kid backed out and went to saint john's.

Another kid got kicked off over the summer.

They recruited another Babb.

Fred and his staff recruited Vaughn and missed.

Fred didn't stop recruiting.

Fred and his staff did offer an incredibly low amount of kids compared to most schools, he really went all in on a couple of studs in Vaughn and Diallo but it was obvious that Fred didn't enjoy the recruiting process and I don't blame him.

 

[Frak]

It has less to do with the fact that Hoiberg left and more to do with how long it took him to leave. We were too far behind the 8 ball to recruit quality kids or transfers. That is where Fred hurt us. That is what hurt our depth more than anything. CSP had little to "go get".

The fans and the new coach would have been MUCH better off if FH would have left after the UCONN loss.

 

[CyJack13]

You must not follow recruiting. Since Monte's class, Fred signed....... Custer (mid major at best) from the HS ranks. THAT'S IT. No one cares that we were 2nd or 3rd for Vaugh and Diallo.

They took Noskowiak and Babb after when Fred was on his way out, and they knew they had huge holes in the roster.

Fred stopped recruiting, or at least stopped landing B12 players.

And there was an obvious issue with Noskowiak that we chose to ignore to bring him in.

 

[Gunnerclone]

And there was an obvious issue with Noskowiak that we chose to ignore to bring him in.

That's how desperate we were.

 

[CyBobby]

The fans and the new coach would have been MUCH better off if FH would have left after the UCONN loss.

I Agree Amen Bro Amen

 

[Rural]

Fred would have gotten a head coaching job in the NBA without coming back to ISU, may have taken a couple more years but it would have happened. He did a lot more for ISU than ISU did for him.

How would he have gotten a NBA job without coaching ISU?

 

[cyclone87]

Completely screwed the university that gave him a chance. Worst timing possible. Didn't recruit for two years. Lied about the Bulls job for months before he took it and screwed us out of any possible transfers. Then had a press conference to rub our noses in it. I was already disgusted by the lack of loyalty and then when he announced all of the other teams he had wanted to coach I was embarrassed for him. I still laugh at all of the losers Who had their picture taken with him at the football games after he left. Fred did major damage to the program that gave him his big coaching break.

He was also the most successful coach in isu history (in terms of winning % and several other marks) but lets just ignore that. The ending was a bit ugly and he left sooner than most thought, but most people knew he had NBA aspirations. Just trying to reach his goals like everyone else. He left a pretty good roster behind for this season, especially with a healthy Naz.

 

[ISU2]

This is on csp. These teams are having way above average offensive games against this iowa state defense.

 

[B Clone]

Two things Fred didn't like about coaching, coaching defense and recruiting. Both pretty important when playin in the Big 12

 

[jim4]

This is on csp. These teams are having way above average offensive games against this iowa state defense.

We don't have the horses to play good defense. You can't put it on Prohm until it's his players IMO.

 

[ExCyment]

How deep does Oklahoma go? How about West Va? If you know you will be thin you prepare for it before the season and get your guys to believe that 7-8 guys does not equal a lack of depth. We just need to come out with more urgency, cant take plays off, expect to hear that in about 40 minutes during the post game show.

Except right now we have 4 1/2 starters plus two questionable subs. Hopefully Burton and Cooke gain confidence throughout the year and are nice subs you can trust by tourney time. I would have put Burton in for the last play tonight for McKay as his 3 ball looks nice. Hopefully "Dually" stops shooting threes and drives for the short shots which he is fairly decent at. There is a reason he is open from 3 point range every time. Fake the shot and drive to the wide open space in front of you. He had one good 3 point shooting game ever against Iowa early in his cyclone career, and it has ruined him since. The times they hustle on defense they are actually a good team. Doesn't seem like they ever sustain it long. Exhaustion probably plays a role in that. That ends my arm chair coaching.

P.S. The make up of this team is entirely on CFH. He left the cupboard bare and Prohm did a pretty decent job filling the gaps as best he could late in the game. I miss CFH offensive adjustments, any kind of fast break, and brilliant inbounds play, but I don't know that are record is any better at this point if he stayed.

 

[IAStubborn]

You try recruiting players by being honest and not promising them that you'll be there next year. This is NOT Hoiberg's fault.

Staying in a job you can't commit to and thus damaging said job does garner some blame. Whether it is reasonable or fair is questionable but it was caused by his actions fair or not.