THIS ONE IS ON FRED!!!

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Listen, bub, you're the one audaciously claiming that teams who foul neeever end up losing the game. As a reminder:





So I did what most 1st graders can do these days and Googled it for you, and found this: Of the 52 teams that committed a foul, six lost the game. Also, I never said one way was right or wrong; all I wanted to was show you clowns who baselessly think that fouling is the better strategy that you're, well, clowns.



And I thank you for your effort. Like I said in my post, I was going off of memory which is why I asked. I'm posting from a phone and don't feel like looking stuff up. So again, thanks...and thanks for keeping it classy!
 

Clonefan32

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Fred has watched more basketball than everyone on this board combined. He is a smart, perceptive guy. I'm sure he based his philosophy on whether to foul off a bevy of experiences he has had personally in games or he has seen in his 30+ years of competitive basketball.

But of course all of us experts know better...
 

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Fred has watched more basketball than everyone on this board combined. He is a smart, perceptive guy. I'm sure he based his philosophy on whether to foul off a bevy of experiences he has had personally in games or he has seen in his 30+ years of competitive basketball.

But of course all of us experts know better...
Also played more than us combined.
 

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Fred has watched more basketball than everyone on this board combined. He is a smart, perceptive guy. I'm sure he based his philosophy on whether to foul off a bevy of experiences he has had personally in games or he has seen in his 30+ years of competitive basketball.

But of course all of us experts know better...

What about coaches who are older than Fred who would have decided to foul in that situation? Maybe they know better than Fred? Fred has been a coach for 2.5 years. I mean he wasn't even an assistant for an hour!!!! That is about as green as coaches get in D1 basketball. It is quite reasonable to believe he made a mistake tonight and you know what? That is okay, he will make plenty more...

It is okay to admit CFH made a mistake.
 
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Fred has watched more basketball than everyone on this board combined. He is a smart, perceptive guy. I'm sure he based his philosophy on whether to foul off a bevy of experiences he has had personally in games or he has seen in his 30+ years of competitive basketball.

But of course all of us experts know better...

My name's Gunnery Sergeant Hoiberg, and I've drunk more beer and banged more quiff and ****** more blood and stomped more *** than any of you numbnuts put together!
 

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Foul under 10? No. Foul under 5? Yes.

This is what Self said too..

Also I know this may sound dumb but you need to practice this.. You really have to hack a guy pretty hard because refs are going to put their whistle away to give KU a chance to get a 3 off..
 

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What about coaches who are older than Fred who would have decided to foul in that situation? Maybe they know better than Fred? Fred has been a coach for 2.5 years. I mean he wasn't even an assistant for an hour!!!! That is about as green as coaches get in D1 basketball. It is quite reasonable to believe he made a mistake tonight and you know what? That is okay, he will make plenty more...

It is okay to admit CFH made a mistake.

Bob Huggins, who has 700 (SEVEN HUNDRED!) college wins didn't foul in the exact same situation tonight. Yeah, it didn't work for them either. It doesn't mean it was a mistake.

Would you all please stop being stupid.
 

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Bob Huggins, who has 700 (SEVEN HUNDRED!) college wins didn't foul in the exact same situation tonight. Yeah, it didn't work for them either. It doesn't mean it was a mistake.

Would you all please stop being stupid.

I love that. I'm stupid but 1 team lost a game and another is in OT because of that stupid decision...

It obviously isn't black and white, right or wrong, but neither side is stupid. Just happens the side you picked lost twice tonight...
 

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There is no right or wrong answer to the foul/no foul decision. Coaching isn't scientific as much as us armchair coaches wish it was. Hence why my butt is sitting here and not coaching some big time school.
 
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Bob Huggins, who has 700 (SEVEN HUNDRED!) college wins didn't foul in the exact same situation tonight. Yeah, it didn't work for them either. It doesn't mean it was a mistake.

Would you all please stop being stupid.

Holy crap, I didn't realize he was that high on the list.
 

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What about coaches who are older than Fred who would have decided to foul in that situation? Maybe they know better than Fred? Fred has been a coach for 2.5 years. I mean he wasn't even an assistant for an hour!!!! That is about as green as coaches get in D1 basketball. It is quite reasonable to believe he made a mistake tonight and you know what? That is okay, he will make plenty more...

It is okay to admit CFH made a mistake.

I still would guess that less than half of D1 college basketball coaches would have fouled in that situation.
 

gwoodclone

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I love that. I'm stupid but 1 team lost a game and another is in OT because of that stupid decision...

It obviously isn't black and white, right or wrong, but neither side is stupid. Just happens the side you picked lost twice tonight...

I think both are legitimate strategies. Some times they work, some times they don't. I agree, neither is stupid.

What I think is stupid is people blaming this loss on Fred.
 

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You're an idiot if you think Fred doesn't stand up for his players.
 

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We need to foul there.

But Fred still isn't a veteran coach. He will learn from this and we will become a better team because of this.

This statement is silly on so many levels. First of all, Fred played high school, 4 years at ISU, and what, 10 years in the NBA? You think this is the first time a team needed a three to tie against him? I imagine he had this pretty well thought out. This loss is on free throws. I've been very critical of Korie. Tonight, he played very well, under control, hit some big shots. But a 5th year senior PG, who has "played in final 4's", need to make two to put us up 5 late in the game. Instead, he misses, then their PG scores a duece while taking about 3.5 seconds off the clock. That was the game right there.
 

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Thats the question how do the players bounce back after this devastating loss?

This is as far as Ive gotten in this thread, so sorry if someone already opined, but I watched the video Van Winkle posted with the impromptu Babb, Niang, and Ejim interviews....and Im encouraged by what they said. They don't seem devastated. I think, instead, they have some confidence in themselves. They know they had this game. Hopefully this will turn into a positive for us.
 

Cyballzz

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I've never seen one instance where the team up three and fouls loses.

I had also never seen a team be allowed to shoot and make a 3 pointer between free throws until ISU played down in Lawrence either...
 

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The ending was disappointing, but if you ask every basketball coach in the U.S. what they would have done.....about half would foul, and the other half would take their chances with the 3 point shot. Personally, I think the foul would have worked, but I can also see the other side. Foul......and there is a chance you could lose the game with the right circumstances. Take a chance on them hitting a 3 and the worse that can happen is you go to OT.

I wish CFH had chosen to foul, but I can't fault him too much because I thought the rest of his game plan was brilliant. Starting Niang, and Niang playing well somewhat reduced the effectiveness of Withey.

At the end, I just wish Babb had been assigned on a man to man on McLemore and stuck to him like a dirty shirt. He was just too hot last night to leave to a random player guarding him. He was 10/12 and 7/7 at the line. Not someone you want to get the last shot off.
 

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Fred Hoiberg ruined my life last night. I didn't expect him to instruct his players to foul, because he has a huge ego for being right all the time. What I was expecting was coach to run onto the floor and commit the foul himself. I'm tired of his act. The guy is truly over his head. If he had any type of brain in that thick head of his, he will start taking coaching advice from the vast pool of CF coaches.
 

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And apparently Bill Self who said he wouldn't have fouled.

I'm sure he SAID that, this idea by the other teams coaches won him a national championship when Memphis failed to do so. Also, you really think he's going to call our Hoiberg on this after the game? We know it was the wrong call when Fred called himself out and said his plan backfired, which was awesome to hear as he's willing to step up and face the music. That was good enough for me, ready to move on and be better.