This Team is Overtrained
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You're correct, but it's not a roster completely devoid of talent. IMO if they were just bad on offense as opposed to the historically bad offense we've seen recently (sans Mizzou and OSU) it would be a completely different conversation. I know they're never gonna be elite on that end, they don't need to be. But getting blown out while only giving up totals in the high 50's and low 60's is just a hard pill to swallow. I would probably feel better if I heard TJ say even "we need to be better on that end" and not just bring up defense and physicality again.
You’re a ******* idiot, just like in other threads.
I don't know anything about over training, but I will agree, this team is showing signs of being tired. A step slow on defense and lots of short shots, and air balls. Not sure what can be done about it. 10 players, with 6-7 taking most of the minutes is going to create a tired team. There is no team in the Big 12 that is going to give you a night off either. Hopefully some guys besides Brockington will start hitting shots. The offense is not great, but it is good enough to get guys decent looks from outside.
I always love when someone who doesn’t know anything makes statements with such absolute conviction. With social media now it’s a common occurrence. Ok op, go to their workouts, take before and after pics, talk to a trainer, just do something so you have a little proof to what you say.
Midwinter Iowa weather makes everyone look overtrained. Excited to see the rest of conference play out. Schedule seems to lighten up the rest of the way. I can't believe any negative post about this season with the expectations going in.
There is a valid concern they could be physically and/or mentally overworked. I don’t think OP is crazy at all to suggest it. Campbell admitted his early ISU teams were.
The recent losses haven’t been hard on me as a fan but the @OU, @KU, Texas (win), Tech (win), and @Tech stretch of games were the most mentally taxing stretch of games for me in decades of fandom as I’m not sure ISU was outplayed in any of them and the result was 2-3 with two close wins that should have been easy wins. Maybe players have a different mindset but I have to think it can get to them too.
The recent losses haven’t been hard on me as a fan but the @OU, @KU, Texas (win), Tech (win), and @Tech stretch of games were the most mentally taxing stretch of games for me in decades of fandom as I’m not sure ISU was outplayed in any of them and the result was 2-3 with two close wins that should have been easy wins. Maybe players have a different mindset but I have to think it can get to them too.
Starting with the Texas Tech home game at the start of the conference season the other Big 12 teams have overplayed all of the cutting we do after our big man catches that high post pass. So our big has nowhere to go with it and none of them has any ability to make a face up jumper or attack the rim. It’s become painful to watch. TJ needed to come up with a different half court look a month ago.
I remember LE stating he had pushed the 00-01 squad too hard when explaining the losses to Baylor and Hampton to end the season. They weren't burned out physically......just mentally had enough.
So if........IF there is a "burnout" here it's mental. And I don't think it has anything to do with what TJ is doing. I don't think he is pushing them like LE did. They are just having a hard time making baskets. And personally......better now than at the end of the season. They still have time to come out of their funk.
So if........IF there is a "burnout" here it's mental. And I don't think it has anything to do with what TJ is doing. I don't think he is pushing them like LE did. They are just having a hard time making baskets. And personally......better now than at the end of the season. They still have time to come out of their funk.
Definitly understand your overtraining statement. This reminds me of the Larry Eustachy days when we got beat by Hampton as a 2 seed. The legs are dead and slow and can't jump. There is no muscle recovery time. At begining of the year defense was nails giving up 50-55 a game definitely under 60. Now we give up 70's and have no shot at winning due to offensive ineptnes. Still feel better about this team than the last couple. Keep working gents
I also think the outside shooting can only be solved long term in recruiting. Sure it could improve, but only to an extent. Kudos to finding the players we did for an instant rebuild, but the ideal squad for TJs style is going to include 3&D guards.
This is the main reason I was upset when Johnson, Hinson, and Foster left. They really put their teammates and TJ in a bad spot by either being stupid in Fosters case, or complete sellouts in the other two cases.
You don't stay on for 5-7 months lieing to everyone and the new coaching staff that you are all in then just quit out of nowhere.
If either had those 3 scholarships back or those 3 would have stayed I don't think you see this team looking fatigued right now.
Also, I think this team could have really used a scorer like JCL this year. That's too bad if TJ wanted him and he decided to quit. I'm sorry but just because you've been around 6 years on some bad teams doesn't mean you're entitled to win all of a sudden.
You don't stay on for 5-7 months lieing to everyone and the new coaching staff that you are all in then just quit out of nowhere.
If either had those 3 scholarships back or those 3 would have stayed I don't think you see this team looking fatigued right now.
Also, I think this team could have really used a scorer like JCL this year. That's too bad if TJ wanted him and he decided to quit. I'm sorry but just because you've been around 6 years on some bad teams doesn't mean you're entitled to win all of a sudden.
I noticed the same thing with the muscles a couple weeks ago. I'm sure the traing staff is doing what they can.
But player metabolic rates vary by individual and it can be a challenge for some players to eat enough healthy food to meet their calorie needs. It's also a common problem for football players and wrestlers trying to maintain weight through out the season.
With the high energy defense we play, it was always a concern if the players could maintain the intensity levels through out the season.
Sometimes it can't get fixed until after the season ends. Our trainers will better know how to manage it next season.
Time will tell if they can get enough rest and recovery time this season to finish strong.
No matter how the rest of this season plays out, these guys have earned my respect and support. They are warriors.
Go Cyclones!
But player metabolic rates vary by individual and it can be a challenge for some players to eat enough healthy food to meet their calorie needs. It's also a common problem for football players and wrestlers trying to maintain weight through out the season.
With the high energy defense we play, it was always a concern if the players could maintain the intensity levels through out the season.
Sometimes it can't get fixed until after the season ends. Our trainers will better know how to manage it next season.
Time will tell if they can get enough rest and recovery time this season to finish strong.
No matter how the rest of this season plays out, these guys have earned my respect and support. They are warriors.
Go Cyclones!
I agree with the other recent posts that this idea isn't as crazy as some of the first replies seemed to think. It happens all the time that teams get physically and/or mentally exhausted by the end of the season. As other posters have mentioned, that happened to Eustachy's 2001 team. That's probably been a factor in Fran's Iowa teams fading down the stretch as well. (That's not to say Otz is like either Fran or Eustachy.) The staff has pushed the team very hard, which has obviously helped them surpass expectations, but it can have downsides, too.
The game has changed a lot, but for the time Nurse and Horton were very good outside shooters and freshman Sullivan coming in was an elite shooter. Those teams played D like we do now but there is no outside shooting threat to release pressure if they get tired or stagnant on offense.
Guys like Tinsley, Fizer and Rancik weren’t great outside shooters but could hit those shots when they were feeling it because a few other outside shooters were on the court.
Getting just one regular rotation guy who is a volume 38% or better 3 point shooter is going to do wonders for this style of play. Get 2 or 3 and it’ll be a blast.
There are guys like Jaz and Grill that look like they have the potential to be good shooters. Hunter may get better, but he is a guy that needs to be on the floor to make other things happen. Gabe is just plain broken, and any hope lies in fixing his shot over the summer. Having a forward that is a threat to shoot from the top of the key would certainly change how ISU is defended. Hopefully a couple of the guys coming in will provide the offensive power this team needs so desperately.
