Tiller??

[FootballinTexas]

So we are wasting scholarships now so that kids will be pushed in practice? Nice.

If we are improving the level competition and depth of the position then it's not a waste. Obviously from past two years of offensive numbers, there hasn't been very much pushing in practice. Guys have just played because they were older or the coach just liked them. Those two things don't equate to a better football player. Just animosity in the camp. Create unbiased competition at each position in practice and you get a better product on the field come gameday. That goes for anything.

 

[ISUCyclone06]

If we are improving the level competition and depth of the position then it's not a waste. Obviously from past two years of offensive numbers, there hasn't been very much pushing in practice. Guys have just played because they were older or the coach just liked them. Those two things don't equate to a better football player. Just animosity in the camp. Create unbiased competition at each position in practice and you get a better product on the field come gameday. That goes for anything.

I agree!

How many scholarships are "wasted" every year? We have 85 players on the team every year on scholarship. How many do you think actually play during the year. Freshman and sophmores especially are "wasted" schollies in your book.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Am I the only one who think Tiller could surprise us all and not only be the guy next year, but be pretty good doing it?

No, I doubt you're the only one, but based on what I've seen so far I really doubt it.

 

[FootballinTexas]

I agree!

How many scholarships are "wasted" every year? We have 85 players on the team every year on scholarship. How many do you think actually play during the year. Freshman and sophmores especially are "wasted" schollies in your book.

In my book?? I never said any were wasted. I believe each class you bring in has to be developed. They need that year of strength and conditioning, acclamation to the program and system, and to college life. So, none of the scholarships are wasted.

 

[EYEoftheSTORM]

Would like to see some reverses incorporated into our offense next year with the handoff being taken by Tiller.

He has that elusive quality to him that everyone likes to see in a reverse....

 

[bigsag]

There is a short interview with Coach Herman on CSR (Scout.com) titled Spring Preview - Quarterbacks. (This article doesn't require a membership to view it.) Basically, CH states that this spring will be an open 4-way competition. Also, said that Tiller, Capello, and Barnett are probably ahead, going into Spring practice, by virtue of their experience with the playbook, running this offense. Stated that Jantz brings an incredibly focused, intense attitude to film study. (Seemed to infer that Jantz attitude was stimulating Tiller to do likewise. I concluded that from what was said that this may have not been the case in the past, and that that may have in fact been the reason that they decided to bring in Jantz.) Also, made comments that Capello has shown incredible improvement from when he first showed up on campus, and that Barnett has healed up from his back injury and was putting in lots of time studying film.

 

[bosco]

There is a short interview with Coach Herman on CSR (Scout.com) titled Spring Preview - Quarterbacks. (This article doesn't require a membership to view it.) Basically, CH states that this spring will be an open 4-way competition. Also, said that Tiller, Capello, and Barnett are probably ahead, going into Spring practice, by virtue of their experience with the playbook, running this offense. Stated that Jantz brings an incredibly focused, intense attitude to film study. (Seemed to infer that Jantz attitude was stimulating Tiller to do likewise. I concluded that from what was said that this may have not been the case in the past, and that that may have in fact been the reason that they decided to bring in Jantz.) Also, made comments that Capello has shown incredible improvement from when he first showed up on campus, and that Barnett has healed up from his back injury and was putting in lots of time studying film.

I think this is the article.

Scout.com: CSR Spring Preview: Quarterbacks

Sounds like adding Jantz is increasing level of competition for QB. Crazy.

 

[FootballinTexas]

I think this is the article.

Scout.com: CSR Spring Preview: Quarterbacks

Sounds like adding Jantz is increasing level of competition for QB. Crazy.

Not a surprise...that's what I've been saying all of this time. What I would like to ask Herman is if SJ is obviously behind the other three guys in knowledge and preparation, how is he going to just past them and become the starter. Are we gonna start a guy that's "less prepared" simply because he has 1 year of experience? Wow!! Or maybe he is just expecting the other three guys to lay down and just let Steele have it.

 

[CyDude16]

If Tiller starts next year it is going to be a long and frustrating year to watch...

 

[bigsag]

It sounds to me like all four QBs have "accepted the challenge". I would view this as a very good thing. I believe that it would be fair to say (that based on numerous statements) that Coach Herman will start the QB that can throw with the most accuracy while making correct decisions. Coach Herman stated that playing QB, at this level, requires determination, discipline, and focus.

Boy,,,,, am I looking forward to Spring practice to see how this all plays out !

 

[Tre4ISU]

If Tiller starts next year it is going to be a long and frustrating year to watch...

So how many times is this statement or a variation of it going to be used?

If this statement is thought to be true then I would assume that if there no one is tagged the starter after spring and Tiller is still in it then we can assume the improvement will be marginal at best because any improvement should immediately pass Tiller since he is so awful. If that happens then I guess that's that. 3 wins and I suppose there's no reason to buy tickets.

(If you need it, sorry for you)

 

[CyCrazy]

So how many times is this statement or a variation of it going to be used?

If this statement is thought to be true then I would assume that if there no one is tagged the starter after spring and Tiller is still in it then we can assume the improvement will be marginal at best because any improvement should immediately pass Tiller since he is so awful. If that happens then I guess that's that. 3 wins and I suppose there's no reason to buy tickets.

(If you need it, sorry for you)

Over react much?

Oh wait you always do when someone questions your thought, or makes a post you dont agree with.

 

[CyDude16]

So how many times is this statement or a variation of it going to be used?

If this statement is thought to be true then I would assume that if there no one is tagged the starter after spring and Tiller is still in it then we can assume the improvement will be marginal at best because any improvement should immediately pass Tiller since he is so awful. If that happens then I guess that's that. 3 wins and I suppose there's no reason to buy tickets.

(If you need it, sorry for you)

Overreact much. Thats my opinion, you don't have to agree. I haven't seen anything out of him that makes me think he is going to vastly improve in his fourth year.... BUt burn me at the stake!! I will continue to support the team and buy tickets, but it will be frustrating to watch. Its pretty obvious when the coaches have shown frustration at the qb position that some merit to that opinion would be accepted...

 

[CykoAGR]

So how many times is this statement or a variation of it going to be used?

If this statement is thought to be true then I would assume that if there no one is tagged the starter after spring and Tiller is still in it then we can assume the improvement will be marginal at best because any improvement should immediately pass Tiller since he is so awful. If that happens then I guess that's that. 3 wins and I suppose there's no reason to buy tickets.

(If you need it, sorry for you)

As others have stated I think that this is a bit of an overreaction.

I will say that IF Tiller is named the starter and does not make SUBSTANTIAL improvements from where he was last year, ISU will not go to a bowl game.

We lost our two biggest playmakers on Offense (RB and TE), our emotional leader (QB) and the heart and soul and director of the O-Line (C). Not to mention a WR that played significantly.

I for one am not conviced that JT can come out and perform even to the level that AA did last year if he does grow as a QB. In his defense he should at least start off in the spring with the #1 Offense and I would guess he will get most of the reps. Maybe this is all he really needs to get over the hump and be a good QB.

I am not saying the JT can't or won't be the starter and if he is he may do just fine, however up to this point he has NOT shown that he will be anything more than mediocre at best and with our schedule and the loss of talent and experience around him that probably isnt enought to get us to a bowl (and yes I know our D will be better but they cant paly the entire game like they have against decent teams and expect us to win)

 

[Tre4ISU]

Yes, it was an overreaction but to say, right now, that if he is the starter it will be a frustrating year, I think is a little premature especially when we think will take his spot has one year under his belt in JUCO. I don't know if Tiller will improve enough to be successful. I don't know if he will improve at all but I think writing him off right now is premature. I think the spring game will tell a little bit but if there is substantial improvement going into next year, I don't we will see all of it in a month. I felt a lot better about him after the Mizzou game because he showed glimpses. I think where he perceives himself to be on this team could make a big difference as well. AA was the unquestioned starter last year. He took the majority of reps with the first team and unless there was injury, Tiller wasn't going to play much. He knew that. I would think right now his mindset has changed. We will see if that leads to the improvement he needs to make but for now it's all assumption.

*I do agree that he needs to improve dramatically for us to have the kind of success we need. My argument is not that he could play like he has in the past and make our offense go.

 

[Bigguns]

I would be surprised. You dont normally bring a higly rated JUCO in if you are happy with the Qb's you have.

When you are trying to build a program you take the best players available to build competition within the program. If a highly ranked Juco (insert position) is interested in coming to ISU and they can make grades and are not absolute criminals you take them regardless of need. If we had been competing for conference titles for the last few years you could read more into it.

 

[ketelmeister]

There are many factors that enter into who will play.
-who knows the playbook
-who can make reads
-who has the best physical skills and can pass accurately
-who has an injury free spring. If anyone gets behind, its tough to catchup
-who shows leadership qualities and leadership that can lead a team
We don't know any of these factors and won't until the end of Spring practice. I believe any of the four could end up the starter.

 

[woodie]

i heard BO whichamacallit had the inside lead on the starting quaRterback job and that t. herman was really impressed by his prolific running and passing abilities...

 

[CyDude16]

i heard BO whichamacallit had the inside lead on the starting quaRterback job and that t. herman was really impressed by his prolific running and passing abilities...

Um he transferred... Fail.

 

[Drive4cy]

People forget that McCarney brought in a JUCO QB when Sage was getting ready to enter his junior season. Sage stepped up and turned out OK. He won the job after a couple games of sharing duties and never looked back. There seems to be this notion that just because we signed a JUCO QB that it's pretty certain he's going to play. That's far from the truth. We bring in JUCOs all the time that don't start at all positions.

I understand the doubt in Tiller but I don't think he was much worse than Arnaud last year. Austen always talks up Tiller on his podcasts with CW. It's pretty obvious if you read between the lines of his comments regarding Tiller that JT has the ability, he simply needs to grow up a little bit. Going into this spring, it's basically his job to lose. Hopefully he seizes the opportunity.

Some people say they think next year will be brutal if Tiller starts....I think it might be brutal if Jantz starts. That will tell me we've failed in our QB recruitment if a lightly recruited JUCO kid comes in and wins the job overnight. And I don't want to hear how Seneca was lightly recruited. He had a K-State offer and in that time period that actually meant something since they were a legit top 15 program at the time. Maybe Jantz is a diamond in the rough and will be great. Nothing in his past would indicate that, at least that I've seen/read.

I don't care who starts at QB as long as they can play. I still wouldn't count Capello out yet. Nobody gives him a chance at all.