I think that, in retrospect, it is clear that a big chunk of the blame lies on contraints from Rhoads. But Herman's problems here weren't just a case of lack of talent. He was unable to utilize the talent he had available and play to their strengths. He was calling plays as if he had five star talent out there rather than calling plays that recognized who was on the field. It is super easy for him to succeed at Ohio State. He's got a soft schedule, top tier recruits, and Urban Meyer. Half of the posters on this board could win 10 games with the situation Hermann has at Ohio State.
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I think that, in retrospect, it is clear that a big chunk of the blame lies on contraints from Rhoads. But Herman's problems here weren't just a case of lack of talent. He was unable to utilize the talent he had available and play to their strengths. He was calling plays as if he had five star talent out there rather than calling plays that recognized who was on the field. It is super easy for him to succeed at Ohio State. He's got a soft schedule, top tier recruits, and Urban Meyer. Half of the posters on this board could win 10 games with the situation Hermann has at Ohio State.
Is this a serious post? Urban Meyer is one of the best offensive coaches around. If Meyer "holds him back" from anything he holds him back from making terrible game plans and bad play calls.
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Who... the posters that had that idea ... Yeah.. they made up the idea that they would like a co-coach situation with Mang and Rhoads.
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http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=190873
The topic was brought up there... "made up" if you will. IIRC its starts around page 2 or 3.
The topic was brought up there... "made up" if you will. IIRC its starts around page 2 or 3.
CPR needs the reins on offense. We were way too conservative for a team that had a hard time scoring. It was like Ralph the nerd told by Dad to get Mary Beth home by ten o'clock on prom night.
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2 things I know about Tom Herman;
1. He likes to drink. He got plowed at the last Coach's Cook Off he attended.
2. He has a hot wife.
1. He likes to drink. He got plowed at the last Coach's Cook Off he attended.
2. He has a hot wife.
I think part of it also was that it may have been the first time he had encountered adversity as a football coach and he had a difficult time adjusting to it in the time frame he was allowed and conveying the adjustments in his coaching style and gameplanning to the players.
Really a sticky situation, but one I think he would have figured out if he had been here longer.
Agree although Rice's competition was no where near what ISU faced while Herman was in Ames.
The notion by many here that Herman was somehow constriained by CPR with playcalling, diversity, etc. is ridiculous.
I was never real impressed with Herman's offense here. But then with arguably better players, Mess went down in flames, and TH did well at Ohio St. But then again, I could have been the OC under Urban Meyer in the Big 10 with Braxton Miller and done pretty well
Lol no he wasn't held down by CPR. Regardless, he's a heck of a coach, intelligent individual, but can't say I respect a few things he did at Iowa state outside of football.
This is spot on!
I don't know if Herman was necessarily calling plays for 5* talent, but he wasn't running an offense that could take advantage of the players he had at ISU. The significant drop in offensive output in Herman's first year compared to the offense of the prior year despite having nearly the same personnel, and lack of improvement in his subsequent years is a pretty clear indicator of this.
Herman is certainly one of the hot names right now for head coaching vacancies. Hopefully he learned something about utilizing his players' skills during his time at ISU. Depending on where he takes that first head coaching job, it could mean the difference between success and failure for him.
simmer down. My read of post #15 in this thread, for example. Btw. I'm trying to agree with you.
I'm completely guessing. I would be interested to see how the "chain of command" looks now, with MM around, as opposed to how it worked with the previous two coordinators. If somebody knows?
Didn't Mangino make a joke about locking Rhoads out of the offense planning meetings?
