We don't have the conditioning to do it. This team is showing bouts of fatigue throughout the game.
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We don't have the conditioning to do it. This team is showing bouts of fatigue throughout the game.
Exactly
Not to mention the countless close calls to terrible teams that were not even in the NCAA tourney.
Agreed, this is a good team not an elite team. Nothing wrong with that, enjoy watching them and have realistic expectations.
Disagree completely. WVU was ISU's really only bad game last year. ISU was competitive in each of their road loses last year. The WVU game was an incredibly quick turn around after the Ejim game. Most of us chalked it up to a horrible game on short turn around. This year, ISU is getting into large deficits on the road, and the team folds. Much different then last year.
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i think most of us realize that Fred is not the world's greatest motivator. I suspect the heart condition has at least something to do with that. It really shows itself as a problem on the road. This is nothing new and anybody who hasn't noticed this yet has not been paying attention or doesn't want to admit it.
I don't agree with the TO criticism. If it is an issue, it isn't a big issue.
Team defense is not great but never really has been. Even last year's team was decidedly mediocre. In tonight's game, I think putting Edozie in for the middle of the second half would've been a better move than what they ended up doing (which seemed to be basically nothing interesting).
The biggest problem with this team is heart. They got down 6 points early in the second half and you could see the shoulders start to slump, Georges gets that tell-tale glassy look in his eye, and suddenly everybody is just standing around on the perimeter waiting for a chance to launch a three. Basketball is an emotional game -- if you can get the upper hand emotionally, you can beat _anybody_. Fred knows this which is why he works so hard on team chemistry, but with this team the chemistry is too elusive and too fragile.
I am not disappointed that they lost but rather _how_ they lost. Fred needs to get them tactically prepared but ultimately, these guys need to take pride in their own game and all too often, they just don't.
This team needs a kick in the *** instead of a pat on the back. No excuse for tonight's focus and effort the last 24 minutes. After 4 "wake-up calls" you wouldn't think we would still need to be questioning focus/effort/urgency. Those are things that can be controlled whether you have Kentucky type talent or Mississippi Valley State talent.
Well, one encouraging thing happened tonight. We didn't get punched in the mouth and get behind by 17 pts. right away like Baylor and Tech. We at least got to the 2nd half. But, again, the game was not within our reach before the last 5 minutes to give us a chance. Not sure Texas, Okie State, or KState will be any better. Hope so.
I don't know... is it really just about focus and effort? I mean, if that's the case, does that mean all these teams that come into Hilton and leave with a loss.... their reason for the loss is lack of effort and focus that they had when they beat us at their place? Its seems too simple to just narrow it down to that, but you may have a better handle on it than me. Hard to explain.
We're more talented than a large majority of teams we play and defeat in Hilton. There is no shame at all in losing in Norman to this Oklahoma team, but the way we did it was dreadful. They outscored us by 28 points in a 20 minute stretch where we consistantly stood and watched while their guys crashed the boards or drove by us for easy shots in the lane. That is focus and effort.
... Baylor, Texas, Kansas, KSU were not competitive games.. Baylor slapped ISU around (this year they lose on a late shot and missed a shot at the end). Kansas beats ISU by 11, Texas beats ISU by 10 and it wasn't that close.
Will give you OU was closer last year, but WVU was a huge loss. So off sets.
This year the conference is tougher top to bottom
They have played 1 bottom feeder on the road thus far, and 4 of the top 5 teams in the league on the road already.
Let it play out.
This. Very well articulated my friend. The "depth" of this team has been overstated from the beginning. Depth is only depth if the minutes are meaningful. As allfourcy so aptly wrote, the actual depth of this team lacks the ability to defend on the level required for this conference. When playing at home, this team is really entertaining to watch, but road wins require lock down defense. There was way too much talk of FFours and Conf Championships that offset the reality of this team's weaknesses in many minds and that is really too bad.
Disagree. We may be close or equally talented.... but our top 8 rotation players are not more talented than KU, OU, Baylor, Texas, or even Okie State. Those teams all have good point guards and every team has an enforcer like Dustin. Other than Texas of that group, I would say they have just as good (if not somewhat better) depth at perimeter shooting, too. Some of the 5 teams I mentioned have more players who can "blow by" guys with a good handle. Not dissing our talent, but feel as if we're only "more" talented than the bottom half of the league. Think about it, is Monte "more" talented than Mason, Chery, Taylor, and Woodward? Is Georges "more" talented than Thomas, Ellis, Holmes, Nash... or is he more versatile? He still has to guard them. Is Hogue "more" talented than Spangler, Oubre, Gathers, or Hield (who Dustin had to guard tonight)? Is Naz "more" talented than Cousins, Seldon, Forte, etc.?
Actually, I hope you're right and I'm wrong. Because focus and effort can be corrected or improved easier, imo.
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My point was more on the effort and focus...when you get outscored by 28 in the 20 minute stretch, and the other team is running by you unmolested for bunnies, and everyone stands around watching while the ball is in the air instead of boxing out. That is effort/focus.
Also, we have FAR more firepower than Baylor and Oklahoma State. They play MUCH better defense and rebound better than us however. You could make an argument that Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas are every bit as skilled as us though, if not more.
Also, we have FAR more firepower than Baylor and Oklahoma State. They play MUCH better defense and rebound better than us however. You could make an argument that Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas are every bit as skilled as us though, if not more.
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Maybe it is we, the fans, that need to wakeup? Look around the Big 12. Talent wise we should not finish in the top-half of the conference, yet Hoiberg has us competing for that in addition to a 4th straight tournament. Don't hate on this team and staff just because you ignored common sense and thought a team that lost its two best players would be better by early February. Wakeup and enjoy this team and support the staff and players.
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