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Maybe it is we, the fans, that need to wakeup? Look around the Big 12. Talent wise we should not finish in the top-half of the conference, yet we Hoiberg has us competing for that in addition to a 4th straight tournament. Don't hate on this team and staff just because you ignored common sense and thought a team that lost its two best players would be better by early February. Wakeup and enjoy this team and support the staff and players.

When the team cannot heed the proverbial "wake-up" calls, it is our job as fans to adjust expectations because, in the end, weaknesses are weaknesses. They are good, and at times invigorating to watch, but this team is simply not as talented overall as we all might have imagined. I've been banging this drum since the TT performance. And as I wrote above, "There was way too much talk of FFours and Conf Championships that offset the reality of this team's weaknesses in many minds and that is really too bad."

With that being said, there is something about Spanky's line about the snooze button that I find hilarious!
 

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To think it is possible for this team to make a run in the tournament, which makes it one of our better teams. It has spurtability. But that is different than expecting to or expecting to be elite. It is certainly different than expecting to grind out a great regular season record. We just are not built that way.
We need to improve a little.
 

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To think it is possible for this team to make a run in the tournament, which makes it one of our better teams. It has spurtability. But that is different than expecting to or expecting to be elite. It is certainly different than expecting to grind out a great regular season record. We just are not built that way.
We need to improve a little.

Spurtability? Is that like being spongeworthy?
 

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Defense Doesn't Develop Overnight

I am srill hopeful this team can grasp that solid defense is the key to winning games.

CFH and staff get alot of praise from fans and media, they are going to earn their pay over the next 3 weeks if they can change bad habits, physical weakness and what is perceived as mental weakness.

IMO Edozie is the one physical player we have down low. He should get more minutes when this team is struggling defensively or giving up offensive rebounds to opponents. I also feel CFH needs to be quicker to call TO's. Prior teams could figure things out on their own. I think this team needs the coaching ans TO's can be useful to stop an opponents momentum.
 

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These guys will get it figured out, and I don't think toughness has anything to do with it. OU is outstanding and has also hit their stride. It was always a probably L in my mind, that I thought we could maybe steal. The only thing that I would like to see is during a major change in momentum away from us, I'd like to see us slow our pace down just a notch, and really work the ball. It seems like our pace makes for runs in both directions, but if we can slow it down just a little bit when the momentum is swinging away from us, we might be able to withstand them and limit them better.
 

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Disagree completely. WVU was ISU's really only bad game last year. ISU was competitive in each of their road loses last year. The WVU game was an incredibly quick turn around after the Ejim game. Most of us chalked it up to a horrible game on short turn around. This year, ISU is getting into large deficits on the road, and the team folds. Much different then last year.
Thats a pretty good revisionists history you've got. Last year they played pretty poorly against Kansas at home, I remember the game at Texas was pretty ugly as was the game at Baylor. All of the losses on the road last year were to unranked teams except for the Kansas game.
 

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Thats a pretty good revisionists history you've got. Last year they played pretty poorly against Kansas at home, I remember the game at Texas was pretty ugly as was the game at Baylor. All of the losses on the road last year were to unranked teams except for the Kansas game.

I understand that, but it was the way they lost, how they freaky l dealt with adversity and how they showed composure. It's much different this year in my eyes.
 

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Maybe it is we, the fans, that need to wakeup? Look around the Big 12. Talent wise we should not finish in the top-half of the conference, yet Hoiberg has us competing for that in addition to a 4th straight tournament. Don't hate on this team and staff just because you ignored common sense and thought a team that lost its two best players would be better by early February. Wakeup and enjoy this team and support the staff and players.

You realized who we returned and who we added right?
 

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Went back and looked. Last year vs KU in Hilton, ISU was within 5 with 10 mins left in the game before KU slowly pulled away. Same with at Texas. ISU was within 2 of KSU with about 4 minutes left and was within 4 of KU in Lawrence with 4 minutes left.

This year, ISU is getting into to huge deficits on the road and cant overcome them. Big difference in the loses from last year to this year.
 

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These guys will get it figured out, and I don't think toughness has anything to do with it. OU is outstanding and has also hit their stride. It was always a probably L in my mind, that I thought we could maybe steal. The only thing that I would like to see is during a major change in momentum away from us, I'd like to see us slow our pace down just a notch, and really work the ball. It seems like our pace makes for runs in both directions, but if we can slow it down just a little bit when the momentum is swinging away from us, we might be able to withstand them and limit them better.
I didn't think we would win this game but in the first 15 minutes we were playing amazing and then the last 25 we played like ****....
 

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I think it starts with our coach.

In the first half this team played lights and was actually pretty good on the defensive end. Things started to go awry when Naz made a poor decision and took a tough shot on the break instead of dishing it to Monte. The missed shot resulted in it going the other way, and OU scored two points. Insignificant, right? That poor decision led to a rash of more poor decisions. By the time Hoiberg called timeout the damage had been done, with the lead cut to 5 (or 3) and the momentum firmly on OUs side. The downfall continued into the half and as we entered a game tied when we should have had a sizable lead (TOs, rebounds, and rushed possessions really killed us).

As has been the theme throughout the entire season, Fred failed to coax effort, intensity, and control from his players in the 2nd half of a game away from Ames. We've either lost by getting pounded in the 2nd half (Maryland, South Carolina, KU and now OU) or made runs because we were ill-prepared to start the game (Baylor, Tech). Our coach has done a **** poor job of getting 30 minutes, let alone 40, of solid intensity from out players away from Hilton. Honestly, I think Fred's demeanor is a little TOO laid back, with our players taking on that personality. Lose a 10 point lead, no big deal, I'll just let my players handle it. If Fred's going to be on the bench (and he IS obviously) he needs to impact the game via wisely using TOs (which he's terrible at) and INVIGORATING our players to bring that intensity out of them. Fred absolutely sucks in this regard.

The persona of this team can be summed up by it's rebounding, which is atrocious. It's one thing to be rebounded over, but this team is consistently gone THROUGH to get boards. That's really all I need to know about our tenacity and toughness. If the crowd (Hilton) isn't providing it, we don't have anything.

Right now Fred is a good coach. People need to be honest with the positives (there are plenty) such as talent, recruiting, individual offensive progresson, etc. that he's brought to the program. With that however, he's also provided team defense that often looks lost, terrible rebounding fundamentals, poor usage of timeouts (prevention), and a problematic lack of intensity.

Where I get frustrated at Hoiberg is that I see very little progress in his weaknesses. He's made no inroads at managing games since his arrival. Our team rebounding fundamentals are poor. The team defense is a joke. We consistently have issues with intensity away from home.

It's a shame really. This roster is flawed, but I don't think Fred is managing it very well either. I'm sure I'll get flamed for not being a "Hoi Boi" but some people need to wake up around here. It's not all roses with Fred (while not all thorns either).

3sus people, did Coach K have to put up with this crap when he lost a couple in a row before getting to 1000? What about Bill Self when he lost to KY by 30 and Temple by 25 this year. The season in 30+ games and I expect a couple down games especially away from home. I'm not mad you're not a Hoi Boi but I am being realistic just like you
 

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I fail to see the difference, everybody talks how mentally tough last year's team was, seems that team choked at the end of conference games on the road, with 1 exception OSU.. As Chuck pointed out they were in games at with like 4-5 minutes at left only to get punched in the mouth and hit with a L. It has become an urban legend on how "great of a road team" that bunch was. Hurray they were mentally tough 35 minutes, and mentally fragile the last 5.

Losing is losing, and whether you choke it away at the end or get so far behind, that you need to rally to win and come up short, its still an L.

This years team is more sloppy with the ball, and they are just a bad free throw shooting team, that is what is killing them right now.

At the end of the day Hoibergs, last 3 teams were all not good on the road in conference. Still think they win 11 or 12 conference games, and make it to the sweet 16.
 
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I fail to see the difference, everybody talks how mentally tough last year's team was, seems that team choked at the end of conference games on the road, with 1 exception OSU.. As Chuck pointed out they were in games at with like 4-5 minutes at left only to get punched in the mouth and hit with a L. It has become an urban legend on how "great of a road team" that bunch was. Hurray they were mentally tough 35 minutes, and mentally fragile the last 5.

Losing is losing, and whether you choke it away at the end or get so far behind, that you need to rally to win and come up short, its still an L.

This years team is more sloppy with the ball, and they are just a bad free throw shooting team, that is what is killing them right now.

At the end of the day Hoibergs, last 3 teams were all not good on the road in conference. Still think they win 11 or 12 conference games, and make it to the sweet 16.

I don't think last years team was a great road team, but they were better then this years, IMO. Honestly, the Tech loss is what stands out. ISU wins that game this year, and I think everyone is singing a different tone. We all know after that loss that ISU needs to steal another good win on the road somewhere, and they had it in hand last night only to fold late in the first half, and get beat around in the second half. Its frustrating to watch. Expectations were high for this team, and they are not meeting them.
 

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I don't think last years team was a great road team, but they were better then this years, IMO. Honestly, the Tech loss is what stands out. ISU wins that game this year, and I think everyone is singing a different tone. We all know after that loss that ISU needs to steal another good win on the road somewhere, and they had it in hand last night only to fold late in the first half, and get beat around in the second half. Its frustrating to watch. Expectations were high for this team, and they are not meeting them.

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Re: Defense Doesn't Develop Overnight

I am srill hopeful this team can grasp that solid defense is the key to winning games.

CFH and staff get alot of praise from fans and media, they are going to earn their pay over the next 3 weeks if they can change bad habits, physical weakness and what is perceived as mental weakness.

IMO Edozie is the one physical player we have down low. He should get more minutes when this team is struggling defensively or giving up offensive rebounds to opponents. I also feel CFH needs to be quicker to call TO's. Prior teams could figure things out on their own. I think this team needs the coaching ans TO's can be useful to stop an opponents momentum.

He may be a physical specimen but he can't seem to grab rebounds or passes to him for that matter. Just look at the TT game the other day he is in garbage time and had at least 3 rebounds bounce off his hands. Another game a while back everytime someone passed it to him he bobbled it and lost it. I love the guy but he is an offensive liability and if he can't at least grab an easy rebound there is no reason for him to see meaningful playing time.
 

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Complaining about lack of focus, toughness, composure? Other than TT, we have won the games that we should have. Hard to complain about that. All I have to do is think about how painful it was to watch our team in the McD days and things look pretty good now.

I hope we shore up FT shooting, but other than that I love watching this team. Can't wait to see the damage this team does in the tourney. Nobody will want to see IOWA STATE in their bracket.
 

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I don't think last years team was a great road team, but they were better then this years, IMO. Honestly, the Tech loss is what stands out. ISU wins that game this year, and I think everyone is singing a different tone. We all know after that loss that ISU needs to steal another good win on the road somewhere, and they had it in hand last night only to fold late in the first half, and get beat around in the second half. Its frustrating to watch. Expectations were high for this team, and they are not meeting them.

Maybe there in lies the problem. I was thinking 4th in the league this year. Coaches picked us fifth.. I could see people being upset if we were Texas or KSU, that to me is not meeting expectations.

The Tech loss was not a good one, but the WVU was a pretty solid win on the road.

I guess my expectations were next year was going to be the year, assuming everybody who was eligible comes back and what they will add. I think Williams gives them more size up front..

Also Cooke gives them another true point guard.. And Burton will be a load to deal with.

Given they have already played all the top teams in the conference on the road already, sans OSU, and they ended up being 1-3, its not too bad. 2-2 would have been nice if we hit that last shot against Baylor.
 

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Went back and looked. Last year vs KU in Hilton, ISU was within 5 with 10 mins left in the game before KU slowly pulled away. Same with at Texas. ISU was within 2 of KSU with about 4 minutes left and was within 4 of KU in Lawrence with 4 minutes left.

This year, ISU is getting into to huge deficits on the road and cant overcome them. Big difference in the loses from last year to this year.
They overcame the deficit at Baylor and took the lead with 14 secs left.