Definitely need Gilbert, but we also need to keep the offensive productivity from Heise and Chatfield that showed up recently.
Turnovers
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Assist/Turnover Ratio
Assist/Turnover Ratio| Index | Player | GP | AST | AVG | TO | AVG | Ratio |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Gilbert,Keshon (Iowa State) | 27 | 118 | 4.4 | 91 | 3.4 | 1.3 |
| 2 | Johnson,Darius (UCF) | 29 | 122 | 4.2 | 80 | 2.8 | 1.5 |
| 3 | Small,Javon (West Virginia) | 29 | 159 | 5.5 | 77 | 2.7 | 2.1 |
| 4 | Demin,Egor (BYU) | 26 | 147 | 5.7 | 74 | 2.8 | 2.0 |
| 5 | Hawkins,Coleman (Kansas State) | 26 | 118 | 4.5 | 72 | 2.8 | 1.6 |
| 6 | McDaniel,Dug (Kansas State) | 27 | 131 | 4.9 | 69 | 2.6 | 1.9 |
| 7 | Mayo,Zeke (Kansas) | 29 | 86 | 3.0 | 69 | 2.4 | 1.2 |
| 8 | Wright,Robert (Baylor) | 29 | 128 | 4.4 | 63 | 2.2 | 2.0 |
| 9 | Lewis,KJ (Arizona) | 29 | 88 | 3.0 | 63 | 2.2 | 1.4 |
| 10 | Jefferson,Joshua (Iowa State) | 29 | 87 | 3.0 | 63 | 2.2 | 1.4 |
| 11 | Love,Caleb (Arizona) | 29 | 102 | 3.5 | 60 | 2.1 | 1.7 |
| 12 | Williams,Darrion (Texas Tech) | 27 | 107 | 4.0 | 58 | 2.1 | 1.8 |
| 13 | Mason,Alston (Arizona State) | 28 | 111 | 4.0 | 56 | 2.0 | 2.0 |
| 14 | Bradley,Jaden (Arizona) | 29 | 108 | 3.7 | 55 | 1.9 | 2.0 |
| 15 | Dean,Arturo (Oklahoma State) | 28 | 87 | 3.1 | 55 | 2.0 | 1.6 |
| 16 | Edgecombe,V.J. (Baylor) | 27 | 90 | 3.3 | 54 | 2.0 | 1.7 |
| 17 | Hawkins,Elijah (Texas Tech) | 27 | 172 | 6.4 | 53 | 2.0 | 3.2 |
| 18 | Reynolds,Noah (TCU) | 28 | 86 | 3.1 | 52 | 1.9 | 1.7 |
| 19 | Lipsey,Tamin (Iowa State) | 29 | 86 | 3.0 | 50 | 1.7 | 1.7 |
| 20 | Harris Jr.,Dajuan (Kansas) | 28 | 161 | 5.8 | 49 | 1.8 | 3.3 |
| 21 | James,Jizzle (Cincinnati) | 29 | 110 | 3.8 | 49 | 1.7 | 2.2 |
| 22 | Little,Miro (Utah) | 29 | 93 | 3.2 | 43 | 1.5 | 2.2 |
| 23 | Uzan,Milos (Houston) | 29 | 132 | 4.6 | 40 | 1.4 | 3.3 |
| 24 | Hall,Dallin (BYU) | 25 | 102 | 4.1 | 38 | 1.5 | 2.7 |
| 25 | Roach,Jeremy (Baylor) |
Part of that might be changes to rotations, different lineup combinations due to injury.
I will live with that. But you make a valid point.
Tonight was first night in a long series of games were they were all hands on deck. And there was 1 guy who by far still struggled.
That said last year KG had 103 turnovers and this year sits at 91 so he is on pace for same. The problem is the offsets are not as good.
Almost 100 fewer FT attempts assists down about 50, rebounds way down
If you can compensate for points lost on turnovers by getting to the line, grab a board or feed a teammate a bucket it hides that deficiency pretty well.
But the fact is he KG gonna turn the ball over, so probably something that is not going away. You can only hope he finds the other parts of his game.
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Not true. Some of turnovers were but most of them were trying to make risky passes or careless with the ball
Him and Jones had terrible games last night and we still beat one of the best teams in the Big 12 handily. I'll take that anytime.
Turnover machine yesterday. He actually got benched. He needs to be better. And Jefferson shouldn’t be bringing the ball up. Ever.
it feels worse than it actually is. ISU is top 25 in turnover margin. The OSU game def had way too many bone headed plays. looked like the whole team had mono or something.
At this point I blame the coaches more than the players. Their scheme is fully scouted. Teams know how and where to pressure to make TOs happen and there has been zero adjustment. It’s been stubborn.
Just finished watching the game. This thread should have never existed.
We dominated a team that has been one or the best in college basketball since Janaury 1st with our auxiliary players having good games and some of you are complaining.
What I saw was a complete ass kicking followed by getting sloppy for about 7 minutes when the game was out-of reach.
Let me reiterate, thus wasn't Colorado or TCU, it was a very dangerous Arizona team. This is by far the best we've played since the Kansas game almost a month and half ago.
We dominated a team that has been one or the best in college basketball since Janaury 1st with our auxiliary players having good games and some of you are complaining.
What I saw was a complete ass kicking followed by getting sloppy for about 7 minutes when the game was out-of reach.
Let me reiterate, thus wasn't Colorado or TCU, it was a very dangerous Arizona team. This is by far the best we've played since the Kansas game almost a month and half ago.
The ball was spaced out way better last night which looked like an adjustment.
The players are the ones who shrunk that space by going back to old habits late.
Old habits? I think they have been coached since June to get into the paint.
There is just so much standing around that it makes it really easy to say off and help pack the paint.
I still don't think Gilbert is fully healed, he hasn't display his previous level of explosiveness in recent games. Still, most of his 7 turnovers were due to lack of concentration or over dribbling into traffic. If he can just start making the simple pass, most of his turnover issues would be resolved.
I thought we had more motion and in motion passes last night.
Even with some TOs, Keshon had a nice paint float pass to Chat for a dunk.
I hope our staff really really reviews that play.
Even with some TOs, Keshon had a nice paint float pass to Chat for a dunk.
I hope our staff really really reviews that play.
I just don't think he has fully healed which, in addition to the turnovers, may be a factor in sitting him.
Old habits of speeding themselves up when there's no reason to.
That impatience leads to the turnovers or hurried shots that come back as a run out.
The head coach talking openly about it as a bad thing that they're working on indicates that's not what's being coached.
I don't buy that. We were fine the first 9-10 games in the Big 12 and against good teams in the non-conference.
For sure. The last 10 minutes of the game were ridiculous from an execution standpoint. I think the coaches wanted/encouraged a couple players to get some good mojo going while up 24 and it snowballed quickly.
It also didn’t help that the second we let off the brakes, Arizona was energized and probably challenged by their coaches to finish strong. I have seen that finish in Iowa City a lot the last decade.
Early in the season, when Gilbert was playing well, I actually think he was handling the ball more. Even though everyone has always referred to Tamin as the PG, I think Gilbert was more of the PG in non-conference (though it's always been shared). That's part of what makes Gilbert's turnovers last night even more impressive (in a bad way). He wasn't bringing the ball up much at all. To me, at least, it seemed like his turnovers came while handling the ball a pretty small amount.
Per cbbanalytics, here are Gilbert's stats non-conference vs. conference (the numbers highlighted in red/green are percentiles--99th being good, 1st being bad). Unsurprisingly, turnovers up, assists down, field goal percentage down. Three point percentage is actually up quite a bit, and attempts up a bit. The free throw attempt rate difference is kind of crazy. Obviously we're playing better defenses now, but I don't think those defenses are any less physical--and often are actually more physical. Part of it is definitely that Gilbert has gone back to some acrobatic shot attempts around the rim that don't get as many calls. I imagine he's probably doing that in part because of a loss of explosion from his injury making it harder to get up and over defenders.
What's the scheme that's been scouted that makes us turnover prone?
