Twins Chances

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Yup - Liriano has done more damage to the club than he's helped the club this year. I actually feel bad for the guy b/c it seems like he puts so much d*mn pressure on himself and can never get comfortable out there. Some days it looks like he has the "stuff" and is throwing the ball well, but then 'BAM' - 3 run jack on a bad pitch and he loses the mental aspect of his game.

Mentally this season has been tough, physically I've liked the signs I've seen lately, last season and early this season Liriano was throwing around 90-93 mph fastballs recently he's been hitting a little higher, same with his slider. If he can locate his pitches a bit better next year I feel it will fall back in to place. He probably won't return to 2006 levels but 2008 type performances can easily occur.
 

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Did Gardy say this? I know that would usually be the case but this is the pennant chase and Mauer will want to catch both. No point at resting him this late in the season.

I would think that he DH's Mauer and puts Morales behind the dish in game 2. Basically they just trade spots as I assume that Morales is in the lineup against Verlander as he had had some good at bats against him. It keeps Mauer's legs fresh to catch games 3 & 4. Morales and and Duensing work well together as they have paired up many times during their minor league days. The downside is controlling the run game without Mauer, but it's probably the best option. The Tigers have to deal with the same issues.
 

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The first game on Tuesday is scheduled for 12:05 pm while the second game isn't scheduled to start until 7:05 pm.

Isn't this different than how double headers are normally scheduled?
 

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The first game on Tuesday is scheduled for 12:05 pm while the second game isn't scheduled to start until 7:05 pm.

Isn't this different than how double headers are normally scheduled?

Had to do with the tickets in this rain out situation. Tonights tickets are good for the first game tomorrow, then you need the Tuesday night tickets for the second game. They need to allow time to clear out the stadium and allow for potential extra innings.
 

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Per multiple outlets....

“I have a catcher I’d like to play all four games and he probably won’t,” Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said. “He’ll play the first game and we’ll see about the second.”
 

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Game postponed due to rain. What sucks is Mauer will not be able to catch both games tomorrow. Let's go TWINS!

Who cares if he catches? He's still going to be in the lineup.

I care...he's probably the BEST catcher in MLB and pitchers get used to throwing to one over the other.

Exactly. Mauer's playing in both games today. Redmond will likely catch while Mauer does DH duty in the first game, and Mauer catches in the nightcap, or vice versa. Mauer doesn't catch both games because he likely physically can't, but you're not sitting him the entire first game when you need his bat, especially when the Twins have Mijares available to them.

As far as Mauer being the best catcher in the game, no, he's not. That designation clearly goes to Yadier Molina (yeah, his bat isn't nearly as good as Mauer's, but he's still a ~.300 hitter and his defense is significantly better - baserunners steal - or even lead off - on this guy at their own peril). Although he is ONE of the best catchers in the game, Redmond is no slouch either, and he plays enough where I'm pretty sure all of the pitchers are comfortable throwing to him as well.
 
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The first game on Tuesday is scheduled for 12:05 pm while the second game isn't scheduled to start until 7:05 pm.

Isn't this different than how double headers are normally scheduled?

They might have played it differently earlier in the season, or if this series was meaningless, but with the Twins 2 games behind the Tigers, this series' outcome directly determines which team will win this division.
 

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Lineups have been posted for game one. Thank god for my sales job and ability to play hooky for this one.

Tigers' lineup for first game of day-night doubleheader | Detroit Tigers - - MLive.com

Rick Porcello starts for the Tigers and is 1-2 with a 3.71 ERA vs. the Twins this season.

Nick Blackburn will start for the Twins. He is 2-3 with a 4.50 ERA in six career games (five starts) against the Tigers.

Here are the starting lineups:

Minnesota Twins
1. Denard Span, CF
2. Orlando Cabrera, SS
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Jason Kubel, RF
5. Michael Cuddyer, 1B
6. Delmon Young, LF
7. Jose Morales, DH
8. Matt Tolbert, 3B
9. Nick Punto, 2B

Detroit Tigers
1. Curtis Granderson, CF
2. Placido Polanco, 2B
3. Clete Thomas, RF
4. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
5. Aubrey Huff, DH
6. Carlos Guillen, LF
7. Gerald Laird, C
8. Brandon Inge, 3B
9. Ramon Santiago, SS
 

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As far as Mauer being the best catcher in the game, no, he's not. That designation clearly goes to Yadier Molina (yeah, his bat isn't nearly as good as Mauer's, but he's still a ~.300 hitter and his defense is significantly better - baserunners steal - or even lead off - on this guy at their own peril). Although he is ONE of the best catchers in the game, Redmond is no slouch either, and he plays enough where I'm pretty sure all of the pitchers are comfortable throwing to him as well.

Disagree. The way i see it, who would you rather have catching for your team? Molina or Mauer? Ask 30 managers, and i guarantee you they all answer the same.
 

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Exactly. Mauer's playing in both games today. Redmond will likely catch while Mauer does DH duty in the first game, and Mauer catches in the nightcap, or vice versa. Mauer doesn't catch both games because he likely physically can't, but you're not sitting him the entire first game when you need his bat, especially when the Twins have Mijares available to them.

As much as I like having Redmond on the team, age has caught up to him this year. Teams ran wild on him this year as he has only thrown out 5 of 40 base runners YTD. Granted, much of the blame lies with the Twins young pitching staff as they have problems with holding runners on base. Duensing is the primary exception, but most of the staff don't have good moves or quick releases to the plate. Redmond is great in the clubhouse and can still poke an occasional single to the opposite field, but his effective playing days are coming to an end.

Mauer has thrown out 19 of 72 this year while Morales surprisingly has nailed 8 of 26. I will really be surprised if Morales doesn't catch game 2 today. Compared to Redmond, he is more of a threat at the plate, throws better, and has a better chemistry working with Duensing.
 

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Disagree. The way i see it, who would you rather have catching for your team? Molina or Mauer? Ask 30 managers, and i guarantee you they all answer the same.

Honestly? I'd rather have Molina (or, in the Twins' case, Mijares) catching and Mauer out in the field, which seems to be the long term plan if Mauer sticks with the Twins. Mauer is an anomaly right now in the fact that he's a batting champion while catching. But the longer the Twins keep him behind the plate, the quicker his batting skills are going to degrade. Mauer's greatest asset is what he does AT the plate, not BEHIND it.
 

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Honestly? I'd rather have Molina (or, in the Twins' case, Mijares) catching and Mauer out in the field, which seems to be the long term plan if Mauer sticks with the Twins. Mauer is an anomaly right now in the fact that he's a batting champion while catching. But the longer the Twins keep him behind the plate, the quicker his batting skills are going to degrade. Mauer's greatest asset is what he does AT the plate, not BEHIND it.

The guys that try to hang on at catcher are either being ego maniacs trying to prove something, or afraid of other positions on the field. He needs to move sooner than later for the reasons you indicate. Worked out ok for Craig Biggio.

Go Twins!
 

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Exactly. Mauer's playing in both games today. Redmond will likely catch while Mauer does DH duty in the first game, and Mauer catches in the nightcap, or vice versa. Mauer doesn't catch both games because he likely physically can't, but you're not sitting him the entire first game when you need his bat, especially when the Twins have Mijares available to them.

As far as Mauer being the best catcher in the game, no, he's not. That designation clearly goes to Yadier Molina (yeah, his bat isn't nearly as good as Mauer's, but he's still a ~.300 hitter and his defense is significantly better - baserunners steal - or even lead off - on this guy at their own peril). Although he is ONE of the best catchers in the game, Redmond is no slouch either, and he plays enough where I'm pretty sure all of the pitchers are comfortable throwing to him as well.

Seriously? I really thought Mauer was one of the best defensive catchers in baseball too.

Joe Mauer is one of the best players in ALL of baseball right now. Any position, any team. A catcher is about to (hopefully) win his 3rd batting title in 5 years. That's crazy.
 

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The guys that try to hang on at catcher are either being ego maniacs trying to prove something, or afraid of other positions on the field. He needs to move sooner than later for the reasons you indicate. Worked out ok for Craig Biggio.

Go Twins!

I see your point, but it is not like catching has hurt Mauer yet. He's having his best season, flirted with .400 a few different times this year, is hitting for decent power all while catching.
 

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I see your point, but it is not like catching has hurt Mauer yet. He's having his best season, flirted with .400 a few different times this year, is hitting for decent power all while catching.

How would we know if it has hurt? Probably not, I doubt the guy would have hit 450 as a first basemen. But, its cumulative and once it starts being noticable it can be harder to remedy. Best with this talent to not risk it. Plus, I think his D skills are replaceable. His bat? not.