Walking Dead

[cyhiphopp]

I'm irked that we ended up with a cliffhanger, but I've seen people raging about how they are never going to watch the show again because of it.

Ok, well, see ya. I doubt you're actually going to stop watching, but if you do, TWD won't miss you.

It sucks but there's nothing we can do about it. Because of it, no one is going to miss next seasons first episode.

One thing I read on reddit that will probably tick people off more is that they probably won't lead off the next episode with the reveal. There's no build up that way. They will probably start with a flash forward back in Alexandria and reveal one character after another who survived, followed finally by reveal of who's not there at the end of the episode, then hopefully they'll go back to the actual act.

 

[Tri4Cy]

Thought it was a great episode up until the ending. I liked how they built it up slowly showing how outmanned they were. But there was no reason to leave that as a cliffhanger. It was cheap and really takes away from the moment.

The BEST part of that I thought was the acting of Rick. The first stop, he was projecting confidence. Smirking, telling them what to do etc. Every successive stop you could see him slowly breaking down. The confidence was leaving him, indecision, etc. I didn't care for the plot line as much but watching him slowly break down over the episode was good writing/acting IMHO.

 

[cyhiphopp]

It falls in line with the "go soft then die" model they tend to follow. Abraham's conversation on the way out about wanting to have kids some day. Or how he feels like "now" he could implying that he has softened up to the idea. He was dealing with too much **** in prior years to even consider it.

I agree. Abraham did way too much monologuing.

Abe was also pretty defiant in the circle. If Negan is doing a threat assessment, he'd see Abraham as a big enforcer type whose loss weakens Rick's group.
He's not going to kill Rick, because he wants a leader in control of Alexandria who knows what Negan will do.
He's not going to kill Carl, because that makes it more likely that Rick will vow revenge.

For those that know anything about the comics:

Spoiler

Abraham was the one in the comics who got the crossbow bolt through the eye, and not Doctor Denise, so he's living on borrowed time already.
If you listened closely, Negan says something along the lines of, "Taking it like a champ". Abraham is one of the few potential victims with the physical strength to take a bat to the head and bounce back up.
Also, in the comics it's Glen that "meets Lucile", but I think they are going to change that. Maggie's baby is a big source of hope for Rick's group and I don't think the show will kill Glen because of it. Comic books are much more vicious.

 

[EnhancedFujita]

I'm irked that we ended up with a cliffhanger, but I've seen people raging about how they are never going to watch the show again because of it.

Ok, well, see ya. I doubt you're actually going to stop watching, but if you do, TWD won't miss you.

It sucks but there's nothing we can do about it. Because of it, no one is going to miss next seasons first episode.

One thing I read on reddit that will probably tick people off more is that they probably won't lead off the next episode with the reveal. There's no build up that way. They will probably start with a flash forward back in Alexandria and reveal one character after another who survived, followed finally by reveal of who's not there at the end of the episode, then hopefully they'll go back to the actual act.

The thing that irks me, and I think someone said it earlier, this was TWD's Red Wedding moment. A chance for a truly shocking moment on a very popular show. And they seemed to be building up to that moment for the last 8 episodes. And then they blew it. I hope they redeem it next season by starting off right where they left this and then have him kill a second person.

 

[EnhancedFujita]

I agree. Abraham did way too much monologuing.

Abe was also pretty defiant in the circle. If Negan is doing a threat assessment, he'd see Abraham as a big enforcer type whose loss weakens Rick's group.
He's not going to kill Rick, because he wants a leader in control of Alexandria who knows what Negan will do.
He's not going to kill Carl, because that makes it more likely that Rick will vow revenge.

For those that know anything about the comics:

Spoiler

Abraham was the one in the comics who got the crossbow bolt through the eye, and not Doctor Denise, so he's living on borrowed time already.
If you listened closely, Negan says something along the lines of, "Taking it like a champ". Abraham is one of the few potential victims with the physical strength to take a bat to the head and bounce back up.
Also, in the comics it's Glen that "meets Lucile", but I think they are going to change that. Maggie's baby is a big source of hope for Rick's group and I don't think the show will kill Glen because of it. Comic books are much more vicious.

I said it in my last post, but I'll elaborate in a spoiler tab:

Spoiler

I think you're on to something with it being Abe, considering he was supposed to be the arrow to the head instead of the Doc. So I hope they throw a twist, have Negan kill Abe, then say F it, I want two, and he takes down Glenn too.

 

[cyhiphopp]

The BEST part of that I thought was the acting of Rick. The first stop, he was projecting confidence. Smirking, telling them what to do etc. Every successive stop he could see him slowly breaking down. The confidence was leaving him, indecision, etc. I didn't care for the plot line as much buy watching him slowly break down over the episode was good writing/acting IMHO.

I was really hoping they would get smart and stop following the trail that Negan had set out for them.

Hell, they could have backed up at the first road block, split up on either side of the road, moved in, and flanked the small group of Saviors right off the bat.

The guy even said, "Lot's of roads to where you're going." You have to think to yourself that you're being set up at that point. It would have been better to make an assault there where you have at least close to even numbers than to keep running into even more Saviors.

They did not play that situation smart at all. But of course, they weren't supposed to, so they could end up in front of Negan.


I'm wondering why the hell Abraham didn't bring his bazooka along. That big group of Saviors standing on top of their cars taunting them would have made a really nice bonfire.

 

[cyhiphopp]

I think the horsemen, who I believe are called The Peacekeepers in the comics, will play a big part in the future. Like someone said, a partnership with Alexandria and their weapons cache could prove fruitful. Of course Negan will want most of those guns right off the bat, so Rick and Co. will have to play it smart.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

The guys on horse back also had "Hilltop" spears. I'm guessing there was/is some sort of alliance deal there. Maybe they make the deal with the Saviors, Saviors took the guns and all they are left with are the blades/spears. They can't overthrow the Saviors who have guns. But now with that group connecting with Alexandria, Rick/Eugene now both have the plan to produce ammo (with Alexandria's guns) they somehow mount a revolution against the saviors.

Dangit, I was just typing that!

Thanks - I didn't catch that connection.

 

[Acylum]

I think the horsemen, who I believe are called The Peacekeepers in the comics, will play a big part in the future. Like someone said, a partnership with Alexandria and their weapons cache could prove fruitful. Of course Negan will want most of those guns right off the bat, so Rick and Co. will have to play it smart.

Didn't someone already move some of the weapons in an earlier episode as a precaution?

 

[cyhiphopp]

Didn't someone already move some of the weapons in an earlier episode as a precaution?

I can't remember, but I hope so.

 

[Dino]

I cried.

Where's the spoiler tags!

 

[laminak]

Didn't someone already move some of the weapons in an earlier episode as a precaution?

There was a line about hiding various caches of weapons throughout the town for easy access if they're attacked. I think that was an episode or two ago.

 

[Tri4Cy]

I think the horsemen, who I believe are called The Peacekeepers in the comics, will play a big part in the future. Like someone said, a partnership with Alexandria and their weapons cache could prove fruitful. Of course Negan will want most of those guns right off the bat, so Rick and Co. will have to play it smart.

Yes, I assume he would. BUT...a few episodes ago the producers made it a point that we saw people carting weapons out of the depot and somewhere else. I remember thinking at that point, "why are people moving around weapons?" They could have been stockpiling cache's around the joint instead of everything in one location which I think was a control move by Rick. I think that move drastically increases the chances that caches make it undiscovered should the Saviors sweep Alexandria.


**I need to start reading the rest of thread before posting lol

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Where's the spoiler tags!

I have to create a spoiler for the fact that I cried?

Yell at Boxster. HE's the one who posted the spoiler about a 60 year old movie...

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Yes, I assume he would. BUT...a few episodes ago the producers made it a point that we saw people carting weapons out of the depot and somewhere else. I remember thinking at that point, "why are people moving around weapons?" They could have been stockpiling cache's around the joint instead of everything in one location which I think was a control move by Rick. I think that move drastically increases the chances that caches make it undiscovered should the Saviors sweep Alexandria.


**I need to start reading the rest of thread before posting lol

Disagree. The weapons were stockpiled in an armory because they were not being used within the walls prior to the arrival of Rick & Co. The assumption was that the people going on foraging or people-finding runs would check them out as needed.

Now that everyone has guns within the walls, it makes sense to have caches secreted all over Alexandria so that they are not caught essentially defenseless again like when the Wolves attacked. No matter where someone is in the town, they should be able to reach a weapon...

 

[Tri4Cy]

Disagree. The weapons were stockpiled in an armory because they were not being used within the walls prior to the arrival of Rick & Co. The assumption was that the people going on foraging or people-finding runs would check them out as needed.

Now that everyone has guns within the walls, it makes sense to have caches secreted all over Alexandria so that they are not caught essentially defenseless again like when the Wolves attacked. No matter where someone is in the town, they should be able to reach a weapon...

Thats right...I forgot they had a cache before Rick's crew showed up. Either way, I still think the multiple hiding spots increases the likelihood of keeping more of their weapons.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Thats right...I forgot they had a cache before Rick's crew showed up. Either way, I still think the multiple hiding spots increases the likelihood of keeping more of their weapons.

I agree! I misread your previous post, apparently. I thought you said that multiple hiding spots increased the likelihood that the Saviors would FIND all the weapons. Ooops!

 

[peteypie]

Haven't read all about last night, but did anyone else notice Negan made a point to say I'm going to beat the hell out of one of them instead of saying kill one of them? Maybe nobody dies? or am I reading too much into that?

 

[CycloneWarning]

My thoughts as well. Daryl being wounded wouldn't have been able to take Lucille "like a champ." Glenn was too emotionally distraught over Maggie so it leaves me to believe it had to be Abraham. He had planned a future with Sasha (sort of). Usually the sentimental things on this show get squashed pretty quickly.

But, is he really a big enough character to go into a major cliffhanger over? What would really blow people away is if it was Michonne, or Maggie. That would probably shake some people.

Agree. Abraham is obvious guess. He was talking with Sasha about kids. Goner. People say it has to be a major character or the show loses credibility, but really? Zombie show.

Consensus is the episode sucked. But I kind of liked it. The previews made it look like Rick and company were just going to run into a small squad on the road while out looking for Darryl and Michonne. But the desperation to get Maggie to the OBGYN was a good story line, and you could see Rick getting more and more scared as he was continually outmaneuvered, but helpless to stop and regroup.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Haven't read all about last night, but did anyone else notice Negan made a point to say I'm going to beat the hell out of one of them instead of saying kill one of them? Maybe nobody dies? or am I reading too much into that?

I think it's a bit optimistic to think someone is going to survive multiple shots to the head from Lucile. My wife asked the same thing, hoping whoever it was would survive. I doubt it.