Given the high number of JUCOs on the successful 96, 97, 00, and 01 teams, having more JUCOs on the roster could end up being a good thing.
Way too many JUCO transfers for McDermott
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Given the high number of JUCOs on the successful 96, 97, 00, and 01 teams, having more JUCOs on the roster could end up being a good thing.
JUCOs are fine.
Jamaal Tinsley brought us our only two conference championships.
If you only recruit h.s. players, they might not even be able to successfully contribute until they are juniors anyway. And if they are THAT good, they just go pro the next year. Or if they go to Iowa State, they transfer. LOL
So Jucos are the way to go!
Jamaal Tinsley brought us our only two conference championships.
If you only recruit h.s. players, they might not even be able to successfully contribute until they are juniors anyway. And if they are THAT good, they just go pro the next year. Or if they go to Iowa State, they transfer. LOL
So Jucos are the way to go!
I think we need a "Bag on McDermott" forum so we don't have to wade through them all every day
That is what's frustrating. There's not much analysis needed, really, because the problem is painfully obvious to everyone with a set of eyes and clear mental capacity.
As you stated, we're heading into year 5 and we still don't have a solid base of talent from which to build. We're looking at (at least) 3 new starters, and not because we graduated a bunch from a successful team.
There was a lot of talk a few years ago about how McDermott was going to do this the "right way" and go after a solid base of 4-year talent. It was going to cost us in the short-term, but we would benefit in the following years when they were all juniors and seniors.
Here we are after 4 seasons, and Mac is scrambling to pick up a bunch of JUCOs late in the game. One of the things that excited me the most about the McDermott hiring was the thought that he would bring stability to the program. *shudders*
It's hard to get excited about the recruiting process at this point.
Very good post.
The interesting thing on this site is how the GM supporters have twisted themselves into pretzels supporting the guy and have totally changed their "arguments" (errr...excuses) over his four plus year tenure.
For the record, I am not and have never been a "JUCO snob". I am content bringing JUCO guys in if they can play and will make us better. Period. That is my stance today and it was my stance four years ago.
But many on this site did pound their chest early in the GM regime about "doing it the right way" which meant not being reliant on the JUCO route in recruiting. It's interesting that we don't hear much discussion anymore on here about learning the vaunted GM "system" and GM's ability to "develop players"...pretty tough to peddle those points as the rationale for why GM is a "great coach" at this point.
I, like some others, have resigned myself to the fact that we are not going to be moving in a new direction in MBB. I actually am trying not to care as much...but I just cannot do it. I love ISU and I love ISU MBB. It makes me sick to see where our program is right now and even sicker to see how accepting some of our fan base is with this current status.
I shudder to think that if we are at .500 or a game or two over .500 next year that we will have people on here beating their chests about what a great coaching job GM did and how he has turned the corner in "rebuilding" ISU.
Next year's Freshman class will have at least 3 members and a walk-on that may
be good enough to be on schollie. He currently has one Juco and he has three
years to play.
be good enough to be on schollie. He currently has one Juco and he has three
years to play.
I'm getting sick of us recruiting JUCO thugs and criminals. At Iowa State we want to do things the right way. Academics first, and athletics second. We want to bring in young kids and make men out of them. We don't want to to be paying JuCo coaches to provide us with players. We don't want to turn into Memphis or Kentucky or one of those dirty schools.
Oh wait, Wayne Morgan already left? Never mind. We must be doings with integrity now. We must not be using the lazy, band-aid juco route. And we must be winning.
Oh wait, Wayne Morgan already left? Never mind. We must be doings with integrity now. We must not be using the lazy, band-aid juco route. And we must be winning.
Most coaches who are trying to build a program start with JUCO players and then transition into mostly HS players later. McD started that way but had to do a u-turn on JUCO's because of all the transfers.
2006 - 2 JUCO, 3 HS
2007 - 6 HS
2008 - 5 HS, 1 JUCO, 1 transfer
2009 - 2 JUCO, 2 HS
2010 - looks like 3-4 JUCO, 2 HS
2006 - 2 JUCO, 3 HS
2007 - 6 HS
2008 - 5 HS, 1 JUCO, 1 transfer
2009 - 2 JUCO, 2 HS
2010 - looks like 3-4 JUCO, 2 HS
We should never had got Jamal Tinsley, Kantrail Horton, and Michael Nurse all in one year. That would never work.
What thugs? What problems have any of these kids had? Petty, Haluska, Dendy, Gilstrap, Who are the Thugs? You are way off base and rediculous. Step away from the computer for a few days, or months.....
Hey now, Ron Prince went the Juco route at KSU in football and look how that turned out for them you haters....oh wait, my bad...
We will be fine going with JUCOs for our two remaining schollies.
Remember, we have 2 freshmen coming in Railey and Ejim. Wilkins will basically be a sophomore. Colvin will be a sophomore too. And GMac will have 4 open scholarships to hand out next year to HS kids.
We just CANNOT afford to lose Colvin. If Colvin goes, then GMac has to go the very next day IMO. He is the person we are going to have to build this team around right now. He is the future at this point in time. Losing Dendy would obviously hurt a lot, but he's a senior. We cannot afford to lose our sophomore stud point guard of the future. That is irreplaceable at this point.
Remember, we have 2 freshmen coming in Railey and Ejim. Wilkins will basically be a sophomore. Colvin will be a sophomore too. And GMac will have 4 open scholarships to hand out next year to HS kids.
We just CANNOT afford to lose Colvin. If Colvin goes, then GMac has to go the very next day IMO. He is the person we are going to have to build this team around right now. He is the future at this point in time. Losing Dendy would obviously hurt a lot, but he's a senior. We cannot afford to lose our sophomore stud point guard of the future. That is irreplaceable at this point.
McDermott has had much better luck with Juco players, I'd rather have him going that route at this point than looking for high school players. Then we would just end up with some more Vettes, Bristers, Manns, and Eickmeiers.
Wasn't Wiloughby at IHCC but just didn't play there before coming to ISU? Might be thinking of somebody else as that was quite a few years ago!
