Wed GMac Presser

CloneAggie

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That is the first time you have actually listed players. I agree with you on WJ and Brister, although it's too early on WJ to determine just how much is GMac's fault. Actually we probably will never know, but at least some is Gmac's fault. I simply don't think we can blame Gmac for CJ wanting more playing time and certainly not Jacobsen for graduating early. Vette, the kid was homesick, GMac can't be expexcted to read him a bedtime story every night. Taylor was Taylor's fault-period. I guess I'm not clear on whether you consider Carr & Stinnett to be under GMac's watch-I don't.
Believe me, I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I just don't think this is a Titanic type problem.

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These players you listed (WJ, CJ, Vette, Brister, Jacobsen,Taylor, McIntosh) ... were they all recruited by McD? And they are gone now? You say McD is not responsible (or at least bears little responsibility) for many of these departures. But where does the buck stop? He recruited them. It has to fall on him. Yes, these things happen at every school, but not with this frequency. When it happens with this frequency, one must question whether something is happening before they get here (e.g., poor evaluation in recruiting, selling a false bill of goods, etc.) or something is happening after they get here (e.g., poor relationship with players, poor team cohesiveness, etc.). As the coach, the buck stops with him. He is ultimately responsible for all the departures of players that he recruited.
 

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I don't get all the heat on GMac for the players leaving. For the sake of argument, let's say GMac gets the blame for WJ and Brister. Taggart, Carr, Stinnett and DeGand left because of Morgan being fired. Stinson and Blaylock left early to go pro (smart moves, sarcasm intended) and probably partly because of Morgan's situation. CJ left to get more playing time, Vette was homesick and Jacobsen graduated early. I probably missed some, but that's 11 players, of which GMac had nothing to do with 9 of them. Plus, I would say blaming GMac for WJ is premature and I don't know enough about the Brister situation to cast blame either way.

This player turnover problem has been going on long before GMac got here. Floyd used to get criticized for "running players off". LE had a 5 or 6 man recruiting class that I seem to remember none of them ever putting on a Cyclone uniform. Right off hand, I don't remember any Morgan defections while he was here, but he wasn't here long. So, this isn't a GMac problem. I think the problem lies with the coaching carosel we've had the last 10-15 years. When a coach leaves/gets fired, players go too. If we place the ultimate responsibility for this on GMac and he is fired, many of the players he recuited will go elsewhere. If we stop the coaching carosel, we'll start to see some stability in the program and I think this will slow down dramatically.

GO CYCLONES!!!

This is an intelligent post. Thanks for being a voice of reason among all the animosity the last two days. Wesley transfering and having to boot Taylor are the only two that have been painful. You can't count Morgan's guys leaving against Gmac and I think Vette is the only other guy with Big XII talent who has left. And he turned out to be a small town kid who should have gone to an MVC school as originally planned.
 

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Are we sure the PC tomorrow is about Wes and player defections and not something else?

We're assuming such to be the case.

Also, it was reported Greg instructed the players not to comment on the issue until after tomorrow's presser. I think the assumptions are accurate - but we don't know 100%.
 

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Alright, I leave for an hour or two and a baby fight breaks out. Good lord. That said, I'm going to respond to all posts that I tagged as dumb and/or smart while reading them.

I don't get all the heat on GMac for the players leaving. For the sake of argument, let's say GMac gets the blame for WJ and Brister. Taggart, Carr, Stinnett and DeGand left because of Morgan being fired. Stinson and Blaylock left early to go pro (smart moves, sarcasm intended) and probably partly because of Morgan's situation. CJ left to get more playing time, Vette was homesick and Jacobsen graduated early. I probably missed some, but that's 11 players, of which GMac had nothing to do with 9 of them. Plus, I would say blaming GMac for WJ is premature and I don't know enough about the Brister situation to cast blame either way.

This player turnover problem has been going on long before GMac got here. Floyd used to get criticized for "running players off". LE had a 5 or 6 man recruiting class that I seem to remember none of them ever putting on a Cyclone uniform. Right off hand, I don't remember any Morgan defections while he was here, but he wasn't here long. So, this isn't a GMac problem. I think the problem lies with the coaching carosel we've had the last 10-15 years. When a coach leaves/gets fired, players go too. If we place the ultimate responsibility for this on GMac and he is fired, many of the players he recuited will go elsewhere. If we stop the coaching carosel, we'll start to see some stability in the program and I think this will slow down dramatically.

GO CYCLONES!!!

Well, first off, GMac had a hand in more than two. Off the top of my head: Taylor (he kicked him off the team), WJ (supposed relations), McIntosh (he recruited him), CJ (Playing Time), Dunson (recruited him), Brister (recruited him). That's more than two. And illustrates his involvement with the players.

I swear, it's like talking to a wall here.

Greg shares in the departure of the players that have left under his watch - he has to. At what extend, I have no idea. But to sit there and think he's completely void of blame, which you are, is completely naive.

And yet, you continue to go back to players that left before Greg arrived - or shortly after he did - which I've not once claimed he had a role in. Getting my point across to you is like trying to herd cats...

I agree with this.

OK, now I'll play a little of your game. I never said GMac was completely devoid of blame. If you read my posts I concede that there is some culpability for Brister and WJ. So if we eliminate Taggart etc. from the conversation, that leaves Taylor, I think we agree not GMac's fault, CJ etc. all of whom seem to have reasonable reasons for leaving. I think this is a huge uproar over nothing. And before you say it, I'm not saying all the players leaving is nothing, just that GMac being the cause of it is way overblown.

GO CYCLONES!!!
Even if they have a legitimate reason for leaving, he still recruited them. Thus, having a hand in their departure by misjudging something.


EDIT: So far, of the last 5 transfers and/or releases, the only common denominators have been ISU and GMac and his staff as far as I can tell.
 
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Learn anything from a press conference. Dont get your hopes up, that doesnt happen very often. The spin drs will be out in full force. That is why we have insiders to get the latest real story. I like to use Marty's denist as mine. Jon MIller maybe a hawk but he is more connected than most if not everyone here. Marty and Miller also are connected but tend to make stuff up if they dont have the story (here are either dead on or way out in left field). Cottler thinks Wes is going to trans to Drake. People here know people who know people who know donars who talked to the guy that paints the lines on JTF. Be carefull with info you get anywhere.
 

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Learn anything from a press conference. Dont get your hopes up, that doesnt happen very often. The spin drs will be out in full force. That is why we have insiders to get the latest real story. I like to use Marty's denist as mine. Jon MIller maybe a hawk but he is more connected than most if not everyone here. Marty and Miller also are connected but tend to make stuff up if they dont have the story (here are either dead on or way out in left field). Cottler thinks Wes is going to trans to Drake. People here know people who know people who know donars who talked to the guy that paints the lines on JTF. Be carefull with info you get anywhere.
I actually believe that out of the people you listed, Jon is the most respectable/unbiased person to get information from on this subject.
 

Madclone1

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Are we sure the PC tomorrow is about Wes and player defections and not something else?
My thoughts exactly . . and I wouldn't blame him one bit. As a matter of fact . . it might be his best option.
 

lennon3

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My thoughts exactly . . and I wouldn't blame him one bit. As a matter of fact . . it might be his best option.

If that happened, which I highly doubt it will, I think that would be a bigger surprise than the whole Wes thing to begin with!
 

Madclone1

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If that happened, which I highly doubt it will, I think that would be a bigger surprise than the whole Wes thing to begin with!
The men's basketball program is in trouble big time and I don't know if he has enough time to pull it out of the nose dive.
 

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No, as my show will just be getting over. But I am going to try to get him to come on during my show at some point. I will at least make the call tomorrow morning.

Jon,

As you interview Mac, I think fans want to support him and have faith in the building project that is the program we adore. Faith and hope is difficult enough in a rebuilding process, especially with lots of losing, but we still had it. However, with this many "defections", and expecially a star like WJ, that faith is rocked. Faith is needed to keep buns in the seats. What can Mac say to the fan base to put more than a bandaid on our injured hope?
 

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The men's basketball program is in trouble big time and I don't know if he has enough time to pull it out of the nose dive.

aaahhh, don't worry about that, he's got time and we might be surprised at how well the team plays next year, but the turnover HAS TO STOP!!!!
 

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What time is the presser and is it going to be online to listen to? Sorry if this has been posted already.
 

cybsball20

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I am absolutely amused that anyone supporting the coach (odd concept) is always and quickly - an apologist for that coach.

Labels...always a good time...

When a guy is in the MEDIA and never has a bad word to say about them, despite what's gone on, then yes it can be said...
 

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