What does ISU do with LJ?

What should LJ's punishment be?

  • Out against KU - He was just being aggressive

    Votes: 112 39.0%
  • Out against KU plus unspecified team sanctions (ala Bass)

    Votes: 104 36.2%
  • Suspended for 1 game after KU

    Votes: 38 13.2%
  • Suspended for 2 or more games after KU

    Votes: 16 5.6%
  • Don't let the door hit ya in the rear

    Votes: 17 5.9%

  • Total voters
    287

cybsball20

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LJ hasn't done anything that Rodney Harrison hasn't done (minus steroids and HGH) and that guy keeps getting pro bowls and considered one of the best among his peers.
 

ISUclones33

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Thanks....But people on this bored should know not to argue with ISUFan22 after all he is the supreme football expert. I don't claim to know all, but no offense ISUFan22 I do know no more of what goes on than someone who has never been on the field.

People need to realize football is a very emotional game, you are running and trying to hit people as hard as you can. Sometimes this emotion takes over and you do a little to much, it happens. The very first play I was ever in on I got a late hit penalty on a kick off because I was so hyped up and when JJ Moses caught the ball I wanted to make sure I did my job for him. Well I did my job and then some, I finished my block but unfortunatley it was well after the whistle and we got penalized 15 yards. The coaches chewed my butt, but in all honesty I was caught uo in the moment and never even heard the whistle.


amen
 

du4duks

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The paly was done in frustration at what was going on. He was alos fighting through a blocker and may not have known whaer he was exactly on the field. It was not a
'vicious" hit, but a dumb one. When he gets it under control, look out.
 

rhlentz

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i haven't read through all these comments frankly because too many of them **** me off. my question is why is no one placing any blame on the coaching staff. I'm not saying its their fault lj got those penalties, but they could have prevented the second one. they shoud have taken lj out for the rest of the series if not the quarter let him calm down and get his emotions back in check before putting him back out there. I'm not condoning
what he did just saying the coaches should know better
 

Tornado man

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i haven't read through all these comments frankly because too many of them **** me off. my question is why is no one placing any blame on the coaching staff. I'm not saying its their fault lj got those penalties, but they could have prevented the second one. they shoud have taken lj out for the rest of the series if not the quarter let him calm down and get his emotions back in check before putting him back out there. I'm not condoning
what he did just saying the coaches should know better

Agree totally.
 

jumbopackage

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i haven't read through all these comments frankly because too many of them **** me off. my question is why is no one placing any blame on the coaching staff. I'm not saying its their fault lj got those penalties, but they could have prevented the second one. they shoud have taken lj out for the rest of the series if not the quarter let him calm down and get his emotions back in check before putting him back out there. I'm not condoning
what he did just saying the coaches should know better

I think the coaches laid into him pretty hard after the first one from what I've heard from people who were at the game. They didn't show it on TV, that I recall, though. Maybe they should have pulled him for the series. I won't second guess the coaches on this one. They know what they said to him and they know what he went out and did. I only know what he went out and did.

You can't really fault them for saying "don't do that you idiot" and then having him go out and do it, though.

That's part of what this thread is all about (or at least my intentions for it). What do you think is an appropriate message to send to the team and fans about what happened to ensure that it doesn't happen again?

Cleaning the PFs up on the field clearly lays on the shoulders of the coaching staff, and if it doesn't get cleaned up they are clearly the ones who are responsible.
 

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That's part of what this thread is all about (or at least my intentions for it). What do you think is an appropriate message to send to the team and fans about what happened to ensure that it doesn't happen again?

Cleaning the PFs up on the field clearly lays on the shoulders of the coaching staff, and if it doesn't get cleaned up they are clearly the ones who are responsible.
I would submit that his peer pressure will be pretty damn high-and it should be. Team leaders need to lead a young guy-I know we won't hear about it, but my guess is he will pay with his team as well.
 

mystateistate

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Wow, you *people* continue to amaze me... Considering kicking him off the team??? WOW, you people put you children to bed at 8 o'clock on saturday nights too, right?
Multiple PF's is not a good thing, but agressive play can be a momentum swing for the good too...
I read a lot of posts on here, but post very little and these people are why I don't, one could never keep up with the morons that don't use logic b4 posting....

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Cloned4Life

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Wow, you idiots continue to amaze me... Considering kicking him off the team??? WOW, you people put you children to bed at 8 o'clock on saturday nights too, right?
Multiple PF's is not a good thing, but agressive play can be a momentum swing for the good too...

Agree, the fact that someone even brought up the possibility of kicking him off the team might be the stupidest thing I've ever read. What he did was bad but come on, COACH THE KID, punish the hell out of him, teach him his lesson, and boom - end of story. I guarantee no one feels worse than LJ right now. And he should. But he'll learn and grow and be better for it.
 

mj4cy

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Wow, you idiots continue to amaze me... Considering kicking him off the team??? WOW, you people put you children to bed at 8 o'clock on saturday nights too, right?
Multiple PF's is not a good thing, but agressive play can be a momentum swing for the good too...
I read a lot of posts on here, but post very little and these people are why I don't, one could never keep up with the morons that don't use logic b4 posting....


I think you can get your point across without personal attacks. People can have different opinions than you....I would hope they do or else this would be a boring message board.

I don't think he should be kicked off the team, but deserves a suspension.
 

ISUFan22

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i haven't read through all these comments frankly because too many of them **** me off. my question is why is no one placing any blame on the coaching staff. I'm not saying its their fault lj got those penalties, but they could have prevented the second one. they shoud have taken lj out for the rest of the series if not the quarter let him calm down and get his emotions back in check before putting him back out there. I'm not condoning
what he did just saying the coaches should know better

I don't disagree with you, in hindsight I bet the staff is thinking the same thing - they should have waited until the next time we were on defense to put him back in. However, they do kind of want one of their best athletes on the field as much as possible.

May not be all bad they put him back in though - this ejection and the repercussions for it should finally open a lot of eyes - which I'd expect would stop this slew of PF penalties.
 

DanCyn

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From coaching experience (small time), I always found it much easier to scale back an aggressive kid than it was to make a very talented, but passive kid aggressive.

LJ is what we want - extremely talented and aggressive. He will be coached to scale it back or eventually he won't be on the field. It's pretty simple.
 

ISUFan22

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From coaching experience (small time), I always found it much easier to scale back an aggressive kid than it was to make a very talented, but passive kid aggressive.

LJ is what we want - extremely talented and aggressive. He will be coached to scale it back or eventually he won't be on the field. It's pretty simple.

This is 100% true.
 

DaddyMac

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Wow, you *people* continue to amaze me... Considering kicking him off the team??? WOW, you people put you children to bed at 8 o'clock on saturday nights too, right?
Multiple PF's is not a good thing, but agressive play can be a momentum swing for the good too...
I read a lot of posts on here, but post very little and these people are why I don't, one could never keep up with the morons that don't use logic b4 posting....

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17 people said that.

Hardly indictative of the whole.
 

jbhtexas

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i haven't read through all these comments frankly because too many of them **** me off. my question is why is no one placing any blame on the coaching staff. I'm not saying its their fault lj got those penalties, but they could have prevented the second one. they shoud have taken lj out for the rest of the series if not the quarter let him calm down and get his emotions back in check before putting him back out there. I'm not condoning
what he did just saying the coaches should know better

See post below...

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/38045-what-does-isu-do-lj-15.html#post640288
 

jrcisu79

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I voted to suspend him for the KU game and unspecified team sanctions, but I have mixed feelings on this. I hate the personal fouls, and it is killing our team. But I also like having players that play with a little nastiness. I am so used to watching ISU being the ones pushed around that it is kind of nice to see our guys fight back and get the personal foul every now and then. I guess the only reason I voted the way I did is because the the particular play. For the most part though the personal fouls have infact been because of heat of the moment aggressivness.

I agree 100%:yes:
 

mystateistate

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Sorry that I was misunderstood... I was just expressing my concern that 17 people would chose to kick him off the team... I know they are intitled to their opinion but just shocking to see these results.... I have to agree that the aggressive play can be coached/dealt with.... He is too much of an asset to our team for him to be given the boot for aggressive play.