What if ISU is not in a real major conference?

[jaretac]

If the big 12 falls apart Isu has every legal right to sue the defecting schools for damages, in other words that 40 million will be paid by a&m and Texas and the like. Really it is a good thing that ISU invested this money because we likely wont get the remaining 50 mil that was coming our way, but sense we already invisted that 40 mil we will get compensated for that.

 

[Cytom5]

How Does the NCAA Not step in on this. they obviously do not care about the ramifications that will take place for schools like Iowa state, Baylor Kansas and Kstate.

OH wait that is why the NCAA does not care because these schools dont Generate Money. and The NCAA is all about money. every thing they say about caring about student athletes is a sham. these people need to get real!

 

[vmbplayer]

Hey Hawk. How much of your new football facility is on bonds?

 

[iahwk11]

I will take this down to the scale of the average person.
You have been a very good business owner for about 8 years. The 9th year roles around and you just signed a HUGE contract with another company that will GUARANTEE you X amount of money over the next 10 or so years. All of the business owners, including yourself, got big time raises that were guaranteed in a contractual agreement.
You get happy and go out and buy a new car, because you've been driving around a POS car for 20 years. You also make a couple of household improvements that needed to be done. (new deck, new couch, and new flat screen tv) You do these things in the comfort knowing that your monthly paychecks will be X times bigger and guaranteed for the next 10 years.

Now, all of a sudden, the contract you just signed with that company is breached and that money is no longer guaranteed. You may even end up losing your entire job.

That is possibly happening to ISU on a much larger scale.
Why do you think Baylor, ISU and a couple other schools have not waived their rights to Sue A&M and the SEC? A lot of money was guaranteed and inked in writing, and now it might not be there.

Sure I get that....so is the whole thing just basically a stand off....because (I assume, and hope) that ISU and company WOULD sue Texas A&M...as well as the SEC? But if I am right, you can't sue until they are officially a member? and the SEC isn't going to officially admit until you've waved your right to sue?

 

[iahwk11]

Hey Hawk. How much of your new football facility is on bonds?

Not to be an A-hole....because that is literally how it's going to sound....but our conference is most likely not going to be imploding within the next month....aka funds are not in danger of just vanishing....and it's being done in 2 or 3 phases. First phase is just indoor practice field.

 

[cyclonedave25]

Sure I get that....so is the whole thing just basically a stand off....because (I assume, and hope) that ISU and company WOULD sue Texas A&M...as well as the SEC? But if I am right, you can't sue until they are officially a member? and the SEC isn't going to officially admit until you've waved your right to sue?

I really don't know the details of all the legal stuff. I just know the main reason A&M isn't officially in the SEC yet is because some schools not waiving their right to sue.

 

[isunorth]

Not to be an A-hole....because that is literally how it's going to sound....but our conference is most likely not going to be imploding within the next month....aka funds are not in danger of just vanishing....and it's being done in 2 or 3 phases. First phase is just indoor practice field.

Good point.

 

[iahwk11]

I really don't know the details of all the legal stuff. I just know the main reason A&M isn't officially in the SEC yet is because some schools not waiving their right to sue.

Thanks Cyclonedave, best of luck to ISU in this cluster$%@!.

 

[vmbplayer]

Not to be an A-hole....because that is literally how it's going to sound....but our conference is most likely not going to be imploding within the next month....aka funds are not in danger of just vanishing....and it's being done in 2 or 3 phases. First phase is just indoor practice field.

Okay, that's a good response. I guess ISU should have gone about not improving anything indefinitely because the huge TV revenue bump and assurances from everyone in the conference that they were committed wasn't enough. I guess we should have just gone ahead and waited for something more definitive like... wait no you can't really predict the future.

So I assume as a concerned tax payer you are writing the U of I president to lobby to offer ISU an invite to the B1G. I mean you're there looking out for what is good for the taxpayer and clearly ISU being in a major conference is good for the individual Iowa Tax payer.

Thanks in advance for your consideration of what is healthy for the state of Iowa and the well being of your fellow state University.

 

[cstrunk]

I am originally from Kansas. I moved to Iowa when I was young. I grew up a K-State fan since I had a lot of extended family go there and it was close to where I was from. In high school I started to think about my college choices. It basically came down to three schools. Iowa State, Kansas State, and Iowa, in that order. I decided that I wanted to study engineering. I never was much of a Hawkeye fan (annoying fans) and their engineering school was pretty small. Kansas State and Iowa State were pretty close, but the in-state tuition for ISU was the deal-maker. Because ISU had a great engineering program and was a Big 12 school, it made it a pretty easy decision and I became a Cyclone.

Now, had ISU not been in a major conference, my interest in them would have been much much less. IMO, it would also affect the academics of the school as well. I probably would have sucked it up and paid out of state tuition and went to KSU.

 

[MissouriCyclone]

I didn't even know where Ames, IA was 4 years ago and if you told me that I was going to go here I would have laughed in your face. The positive side of me wants to say enrollment wouldn't be affected because once people get here and visit the campus they will love it and not care what conference we're in. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen and enrollment will drop tremendously. It would be bad for ISU and Ames.

 

[acgclone]

I didn't even know where Ames, IA was 4 years ago and if you told me that I was going to go here I would have laughed in your face. The positive side of me wants to say enrollment wouldn't be affected because once people get here and visit the campus they will love it and not care what conference we're in. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen and enrollment will drop tremendously. It would be bad for ISU and Ames.

Agreed. It will be bad for enrollment and our athletic programs, UNLESS we end up in a Big East/B12 mashup with some good b-ball schools. We need to establish a good basketball program that typically goes to the tourney and become a top 1/3rd football team as soon as the conference is formed. If that happens, we'll be OK.

If not, it will cause many out of staters to look elsewhere. It will also push thousands of future, would-be Cyclone fans into the arms of Iowa and Nebraska.

 

[CRAZYGREG]

Say bye bye to CJL and BF and CPR. CFH might stick around for a few years

 

[Hawkinpeace]

I wouldn't mind it at all if Gary Barta or KF or whoever at Iowa got in Delaney's ear about ISU joining the B1G.

Not sure how much pull that would even have, but I don't want to see ISU get f*cked over.

To say all Iowa fans are laughing at this isn't true.

Using one random Iowa fan on this board and claiming all Iowa fans share the same thought process is borderline ********.

 

[jsb]

I wouldn't mind it at all if Gary Barta or KF or whoever at Iowa got in Delaney's ear about ISU joining the B1G.

Not sure how much pull that would even have, but I don't want to see ISU get f*cked over.

To say all Iowa fans are laughing at this isn't true.

Using one random Iowa fan on this board and claiming all Iowa fans share the same thought process is borderline ********.

Glad there is one of you, but the attitude of most Hawk fans and the media in this state has not been similar.

 

[vmbplayer]

Say bye bye to CJL and BF and CPR. CFH might stick around for a few years

I think BF will retire here regardless of what ISU can do compensation wise in a lower tier conference. That man loves the University and the city of Ames.

CFH I think would stay. He isn't at ISU for the money. CJL we would likely lose, and I imagine we would lose CPR at some point.

FH and BF can compete and win without major conference money, and I think would continue based on love of ISU.

CPR is already disadvantaged at ISU trying to compete he would be picked up to compete at the highest level (basketball can do that from lower conferences football can't)

CJL, has already turned down a couple offers I believe. However, I think we would probably lose her at some point, but she is here because she wants to win a NCAA title and we are trying to give the VB team the resources to do that. They just got refurbished offices thanks to the flood.

 

[SCarolinaCy]

The BIG question here is what's going to happen to Ubben?

Can we all chip in and buy him a going away gift?

 

[BaryGarta]

I would get Iowa season tix and cheer against them every week in Kinnick. The arrogance of them finding this to be comedic has just pushed me over the edge.

I don't think the majority of Hawkeye fans find any humor in this at all. We all realize ISU et al are getting hosed here and you don't deserve it.

I thought T. Boone Pickens had it all sorted out and said that whatever teams remained in conference would share in the TV deal that was iron clad? When did that change? Obviously if there is no Big XII conference then it becomes a moot point, but hell, if you can find a way to keep it alive with even 8 or 6 teams then the $$$ coming your way will more than pay for the capital improvements you have done.

 

[hawkeyeh8r]

The BIG question here is what's going to happen to Ubben?

Can we all chip in and buy him a going away gift?

nah let that midget figure out his own ****. i think ISU will end up ok in the long run because Iowa taxpayers would be on the hook for the $40 million in bonds that ISU couldnt pay back if they are unable sue UT/OU/A$M/etc. the iowa legislature will probably be like the texas legislature in the 90s with baylor and force a conference to pick us up. yes we would be the red headed stepchild that no one wanted but its better than most of our other options

 

[GoSTATE71]

It makes me sad to think that every single game i look forward to wouldn't exist anymore. I used to get excited knowing texas or oklahoma or oklahoma state or kansas was coming to town, hell even when we sucked and got killed by them it was still fun seeing those teams play, now i get to look forward to a weekend matchup of Toledo or Kent state? I wouldn't even bother going, i don't care how loyal you are you don't get used to big time college athletics and than be satisfied with playing in a crap conference because your loyal