What Should the Remaining Big 12 Schools Do?

What Should the Remaining Big 12 Schools Do?

  • Stay in Big 12 and Make OK and TX Wait Until 2025

    Votes: 154 46.4%
  • Find Another Conference to Jump To Immediately

    Votes: 136 41.0%
  • Expand and Try to Stabilize Big 12 Long Term

    Votes: 42 12.7%

  • Total voters
    332

HouClone

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so what would you suggest if the Big 10 or Pac 12 aren't an option? Go with 8 team? MTN West? AAC?
I like adding BYU, Memphis, Cincinnati, Houston. Central Florida I would like to add too but they would need a travel partner which would be South Florida. I like 12 teams more than 14 but could go for this.

I'm not a fan of the partial sports invite.
 

CyBobby

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It's a classic Prisoner's Dilemma. As soon as one of the 8 remaining teams bolts to another conference, it's over for the rest of the schools. Sticking together is the best for now, getting as much money as possible. Because once OU and Texas leaves for good (in 2025 or whenever) then the money really won't be there for the rest of the schools. It's gonna get really ugly.
It's Going To Be....EVERY SCHOOL FOR ITSELF.....Friends we are now watching the DESTRUCTION OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL AS WE KNOW IT....

FROM NOW ON IT WILL BE A SEMI PROFESSIONAL/PROFESSIONAL MODEL!
 

CyBobby

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What kind of TV money does that conference generate? Maybe $25M per year? I think it would be somewhere between AAC and ACC money. Not sure KU and ISU will be happy with that. Maybe we try to get in ACC with WVU.

I told an Iowa State Alum yesterday that the ACC should add all the remaining members of the Big 12.....Either that or the ACC will DIE FROM A THOUSAND CUTS AT THE HANDS OF THE B1G & THE SEC
 

Cloneon

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Yes. No GOR in the SEC. Offer Alabama and LSU a billion dollars over 10 years.
That is certainly fun to ponder despite its unlikely fruition. And there are entities with the $$$ to make it happen. But, sadly, the government will be the obstacle because they never like too much too fast .. unless it's a vaccine ;)(sarcasm). Disney's balance sheet would be one huge write-off.
 

CyLyte2

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That is certainly fun to ponder despite its unlikely fruition. And there are entities with the $$$ to make it happen. But, sadly, the government will be the obstacle because they never like too much too fast .. unless it's a vaccine ;)(sarcasm). Disney's balance sheet would be one huge write-off.
People need to start thinking outside the box and stop thinking ISU is weak and powerless.
 

Cyclones1969

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People need to start thinking outside the box and stop thinking ISU is weak and powerless.

But the big 10 network is already in Iowa. Don’t you know what that means?

Our basic cable market is already spoken for. So we’re definitely doomed.

that is literally what some people are saying on here. Because 10 years ago fox linked mediocre big 10 sports with the Yankees to get on basic cable in New York City.
 

Cloneon

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But the big 10 network is already in Iowa. Don’t you know what that means?

Our basic cable market is already spoken for. So we’re definitely doomed.

that is literally what some people are saying on here. Because 10 years ago fox linked mediocre big 10 sports with the Yankees to get on basic cable in New York City.
Edited because of a retake. Correct me if I'm wrong. You're sarcastically saying "get with the current program folks because the paradigm you're using no longer exists". Right?

ISU 'adds' content, diversity, competition and rivalry. EVERY instance of 'viewership' has the 'rivalries' near the top. 'Cable' thinking is passé. That was ESPNs diamond and look at the mess it's gotten them into. Sure, there'll be people saying otherwise, but any trend analysis sees the end of cable product packaging and introduction of PPV or more single product packaging (eg 4 ISU games and one out-of-conference game for $35)
 
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madguy30

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People need to start thinking outside the box and stop thinking ISU is weak and powerless.

That's the public perception and the people making these decisions will see it the same way.
 

Cyclones1969

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I sure hope that's sarcasm because otherwise it makes little sense and it wreaks of antiquated thinking.

ISU 'adds' content, diversity, competition and rivalry. EVERY instance of 'viewership' has the 'rivalries' near the top. 'Cable' thinking is passé. That was ESPNs diamond and look at the mess it's gotten them into. Sure, there'll be people saying otherwise, but any trend analysis sees the end of cable product packaging and introduction of PPV or more single product packaging (eg 4 ISU games and one out-of-conference game for $35)

Of course it’s sarcasm.
 

AlaCyclone

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Unless BYU is interested, we shouldn't expand the Big 12 until after OU and Texas leave.
I think Cincinnati is worth the grab too.
+ BYU and Cincinnati for a 10 team big Xii-*.
First guess.

*-If the B1G and Pac are NOT options
 

HouClone

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I think Cincinnati is worth the grab too.
+ BYU and Cincinnati for a 10 team big Xii-*.
First guess.

*-If the B1G and Pac are NOT options
Yep, BYU and Cinci are the first calls. If other teams like Memphis or Houston will weaken the revenue payout, it may still be worth adding. It depends on how much less. If the conference payout drops by $2 million per school with the addition of Memphis and Houston, that seems close enough to add. There is additional benefit in having more teams make bowls, more national voting power, etc. Plus, the media would frequently talk in totals when comparing conferences like NFL draft picks, revenue, attendance, # of bowl bids, etc. instead of per member that it would make the Big 12 look weak. 10 is the perfect number but that is too low in today's world. I like 12-16 teams total.
 
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cc1091

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So is 'semi-pro' football like semi-pro baseball?
Where the success or failure of a semi-pro team only appeals to a small region playing that specific game? If so, then it may come to pass that the isolated and insulated SEC (aka 'Southern States League of Semi-Pro Football' or SSLSemi-Pro) may actually be hindering itself once 10 years elapses. I mean, right now I have little interest in watching SEC, ACC, or PAC games. I have NO interest in watching games with teams from the AAC, MWC, or MAC. But if my local favorite college team IS playing one of them, then I will watch that game. To me, it seems as if the SSLSemi-Pro will not find a lot of challengers and hence teams to play, within the rest of college football. In fact, it would be best for college football to insulate itself from a league seeking to hold all of the financial cards and be the only gateway to the NFL. Certainly the NFL will not be looking exclusively at players from the SSLSemi-pro. They will be looking for players who can compete nationally. And if the SEC becomes the SSLSemi-Pro and isolates iteself, then what good is it to the NFL?

Anyhow, I suspect that over time, this isolated group of what is now 'super teams' (less a few like Ohio State, Notre Dame, and a few others currently in the SEC who are far from 'super teams'), will eventually regret expansion.
 

t-noah

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Think it’ll be a combo of 1 and 2. The schools will fight and get a large settlement out of OU and UT, then be on stronger footing to find a new home.
Just a reminder, TV rights negotiations ...
I voted for sticking to 2025, although it’s obvious the league won’t be around that long. My vote really should state stick around long enough for the settlements to be decided, then move on.
For the time being, they need to say that the plan is to “stay together until 2025”. Make OU/Texas pay up to leave earlier, because you know there is no way they can wait that long. Once they pay up, then the remaining teams can dissolve the conference and move on.
Add Memphis and Cincy and become a basketball conference while we wait for golden tickets from Big 10 and PAC 12.
Unless BYU is interested, we shouldn't expand the Big 12 until after OU and Texas leave.
Its not really a prisoners dilemma because every school understands that we will all go if we have the chance. If one school goes, it’s not going to destroy the league - because everyone else would already have gone if they had the chance, so no one else must have a chance if they’re still here.

If WVU got an ACC offer, and nothing else changed, we’d just invite 3 or 5 of the top G5s and try to make it work because the rest of us wouldn’t have a better option.
What constitutes 'staying together' for the BIG 12? Do we have to stay together completely unchanged in order to get the full TX/OU buyout? Can one, two, three teams leave early and the BIG 12 still gets a 'pro-rated' buyout? Can the BIG 12 add 2-4 teams early (before '25) and still get the buyout?
 

t-noah

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And if the SEC becomes the SSLSemi-Pro and isolates iteself, then what good is it to the NFL?
Many in this SSLSemi-Pro league will have already made their millions and will not feel the need to play in the NFL?
 

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