What was to be and the New Offensive Coordinator

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I shouldn't say that is was possible that PR looked at chiziks house on Tuesday, 5 days before the Saturday announcement. This would make it seem like the coaching search was decided before a search even started. okay. I didn't say it was possible. Did I? Anything is possible.
Going with your first choice can sometimes get it right. It is possible it all happened very quick but I believe PR is the first and right choice.
okay. Now I'm in hiding. :smile:
 

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I am hearing that ISU will be likely be naming an offensive coordinator who is coaching his team in a game that takes place yet this year. He also is a fan of the modern spread offense. :wink:
 

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I am hearing that ISU will be likely be naming an offensive coordinator who is coaching his team in a game that takes place yet this year.

Calendar year or college football season year?
 

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A few points:
1.IMO at AU and UT, Chizik depended on winning with better athletes. That's where he found success. That was never going to happen at ISU.

2.I think that RMac did a good job. ISU scored more than enough to win most of their games. The only problem I had with him was playcalling here and there. I honestly wouldn't be disappointed to see him back as OC, but then we'd need a QB coach.

3.The high scoring Big XII is overblown IMO. What you see is a bunch of great QBs, most of which are upperclassmen with plenty of experience. Add that in with mostly young defenses around the league and you get a points explosion. IMO a Steve Loney offense would do just fine in this era.

4.I'm really hoping for Herman at Rice. Gotta keep an eye on that game tonight.
 

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wonder about: Dana Holgorsen, from mt. pleasent (houston oc - plays 12/31), also: John Skladany is their dc. ?
 

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HOPEFULLY calendar year!! That would mean Herman from Rice mostly likely. :biggrin:

It's inevitable, I guess, but I wonder how many backward steps our offensive guys will have to take before they're able to begin making progress with a new OC.

A whole new nomemclature to learn?

A whole new playbook to commit to memory?

A ton of new techniques to adopt?

The OLine, a new blocking style?

If it turns out that Coach Bliel gets the OLine portfolio, I wonder what blocking style he's comfortable coaching. Heard this was a problem for Barney Cotton, who had not previously coached zone blocking before coming on board here.
 

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A few points:
1.IMO at AU and UT, Chizik depended on winning with better athletes. That's where he found success. That was never going to happen at ISU.

2.I think that RMac did a good job. ISU scored more than enough to win most of their games. The only problem I had with him was playcalling here and there. I honestly wouldn't be disappointed to see him back as OC, but then we'd need a QB coach.

3.The high scoring Big XII is overblown IMO. What you see is a bunch of great QBs, most of which are upperclassmen with plenty of experience. Add that in with mostly young defenses around the league and you get a points explosion. IMO a Steve Loney offense would do just fine in this era.

4.I'm really hoping for Herman at Rice. Gotta keep an eye on that game tonight.

I agree with all your points, except for #3 I would add that I think it is more than just solid, experienced upperclassmen at QB. There are tremendous athletes at wideout in this league, as well: Crabtree, Bryant, Maclin, Shipley, Briscoe, Cosby, etc. A talented QB can only put up big numbers if he has big, mean, dependable guys to catch the ball.

One thing you certainly don't see much of anymore in the Big 12 is dominant running backs, which used to be a stable of this league.

I also think that o-lines don't get nearly the credit they should for the success of their QBs and WRs.
 

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Does anyone else get aggravated when they see an IMO in a post? I assume it's your opinion unless you tag a story or attribute it to someone else. Seems redundant on a message board.
 
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Pretty good section in the middle on potential OC's for Miami, including some info on both Herman and Holgerson. IMO (sorry GeronimusClone, had to do it!)Herman would be a great pickup for us with all of his Texas ties. Holgerson doesn't seem to have as great as a resume, and Herman was also a finalist for the QB coach of the year.

Trooper Taylor is also an interesting name, co-OC at OSU, plays before the end of the year, Big 12 ties, maybe he is looking to step up his stature and get out from under Gundy's thumb??
 

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I shouldn't say that is was possible that PR looked at chiziks house on Tuesday, 5 days before the Saturday announcement. This would make it seem like the coaching search was decided before a search even started. okay. I didn't say it was possible. Did I? Anything is possible.
Going with your first choice can sometimes get it right. It is possible it all happened very quick but I believe PR is the first and right choice.
okay. Now I'm in hiding. :smile:

PR peobably lost his job the previous Sunday and made the call Sunday night to JP. For every action, there is a reaction. :cool:
 

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It's inevitable, I guess, but I wonder how many backward steps our offensive guys will have to take before they're able to begin making progress with a new OC.

A whole new nomemclature to learn?

A whole new playbook to commit to memory?

A ton of new techniques to adopt?

The OLine, a new blocking style?

If it turns out that Coach Bliel gets the OLine portfolio, I wonder what blocking style he's comfortable coaching. Heard this was a problem for Barney Cotton, who had not previously coached zone blocking before coming on board here.


Barney had never coached zone blocking? That explains a lot then.
 

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I agree with all your points, except for #3 I would add that I think it is more than just solid, experienced upperclassmen at QB. There are tremendous athletes at wideout in this league, as well: Crabtree, Bryant, Maclin, Shipley, Briscoe, Cosby, etc. A talented QB can only put up big numbers if he has big, mean, dependable guys to catch the ball.

One thing you certainly don't see much of anymore in the Big 12 is dominant running backs, which used to be a stable of this league.

I also think that o-lines don't get nearly the credit they should for the success of their QBs and WRs.



I agree with you on most of that but Kendal Hunter of OSU was 6th in the nation in rushing and OU has 3 RB's that if they were features of their own offense, they would've been in the top 10 easily. I just think that the passing games this year have completely overshadowed how these rb's have been doing.
 

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In tonights game Mike Grant is the Wide Receivers coach for Western Michigan. Grant coached 9 years at ISU leaving when DMac did. Grant landed at Southern Miss for a year then moved to Western Michigan. A QB at Nebraska Mike coached DB's, LB's, wide receivers running backs.
 

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In tonights game Mike Grant is the Wide Receivers coach for Western Michigan. Grant coached 9 years at ISU leaving when DMac did. Grant landed at Southern Miss for a year then moved to Western Michigan. A QB at Nebraska Mike coached DB's, LB's, wide receivers running backs.

JC,
One thing that I don't agree totally with you on is completely going to a spread attack. We are seeing the defenses adapt by using the nickel exclusively, and cutting off the short dump passes. A varried attack, like Iowa uses, can be pretty potent. And with a running back like Bo Williams on the team, we must use that talent. So I agree with opening things up, but as the Minnesota Gophers have found out, they must have a running attack as well.
 

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JC,
One thing that I don't agree totally with you on is completely going to a spread attack. We are seeing the defenses adapt by using the nickel exclusively, and cutting off the short dump passes. A varried attack, like Iowa uses, can be pretty potent. And with a running back like Bo Williams on the team, we must use that talent. So I agree with opening things up, but as the Minnesota Gophers have found out, they must have a running attack as well.

Every spread attack has to have a run threat and almost all of them do... In fact, I would say the goal of most successful spread teams is to set up the run with the pass... It makes it easier to run when you have the defense spread out, you just don't pound it 30-40 times a game...
 

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