What's the problem with offense besides Tom Manning?

[StPaulCyclone]

Those things are all coaching dependent. A well-coached offense should be able to run the ball against Kansas, or at least force them to load the box. We had a running back running sideways and trying to figure out which way to go on our own goal line. A well-designed passing scheme should enable receivers to get open. Some of it is problems of execution, but as CMC says, it's the coaches' responsibility to have them coached up and ready to play.

Are we ignoring the loss of RB1, and that RB2 in Ames, was a factor here. There is a clear drop off after Brock who is a complete back. It’s all interrelated, can’t run the ball and the safeties can help cover more and WR can’t get open. This is a young team that has to grow up and a coaching staff adjusting to the loss of talent and experience. The loss of Brock helped solid KU’s game plan and threw ours for a loop.

 

[CySmurf]

There's lots of variables in play to say the QB coach is substandard. There's another team on the other side of the ball that had plenty of film on Purdy to know what he did well and didn't do well.
There's the offensive line that blocked and protected Purdy. It was and still is a work in progress for CMC.
Purdy was a kid learning to play QB while all this is going on. New coaches, New players, more expectations from fans because of the team's success...he handled all this with class and was a great example of representing the Cyclones.

 

[madguy30]

Unfortunately agree.

Quick developing plays do several things that we could greatly benefit from.

1 – Give your young QB experience and confidence.
2 – Take pressure off your weak O-Line.
3 – Makes up for the lack of dynamic playmakers in the TE and WR groups.
4 – Take away the need for your young QB to make lengthy reads while getting pressure from all directions.
5 – Allows for your runners to start getting downfield without your line having to maintain protection.
6 – Negates some of the impact from having relatively weak TE and RB blockers.

We know the line struggles both with providing adequate pass protection and getting enough penetration. Shifting to quicker developing plays allows us to negate that to some degree while still mixing up run and pass plays.

We really like to repeatedly hit our heads against the wall doing the same thing over and over by playing to our weaknesses.

I'd add that it can help to at least give something to build off for the Oline and even the RBs for technique, fundamentals, confidence, etc.

 

[ESciGuy]

Well, you can. At least 2 of those 3 are on pace for 9 wins. That's been our peak season. Otherwise, we're sitting around 7-6 for 2 of the last 3 years. That's just getting by.

And no, Oklahoma State has probably been better, with the exception of whatever happened to cause that down year.

Yeah, and two weeks ago, we were on pace for a NC (jimlad). There's no way KU continues unbeaten for long. How 'bout we kick KSU's ass this Saturday and revisit things?

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Manning has been very open, at least behind the scenes but I think publicly too, with the fact that he doesn’t like QB’s scrambling. It was well known that Purdy was instructed to throw the ball away when protection or the play breaks down. Not saying if that was right or wrong, but it has always been his preference and likely always will be.

Unfortunately, with a line that can’t maintain protection or get good penetration, there will be more plays that break down than you might see elsewhere. With that, I’d probably lean towards “smart scrambling” – allowing the QB to be mobile but always using the sideline or a slide rather than taking unnecessary hits. You obviously can’t always avoid every hit, but you also give up a lock of hard sacks by not allowing for some mobility. Not to mention that I think it creates a dynamic where a player like Dekkers thinks too much when deciding what to do and it creates for a terribly slow first step.

I think a large part of it may be to protect the QB; the concern is losing QB1, at a school like ISU, could be devastating.

 

[madguy30]

If KU beats any of those teams then those fans should immediately demand that some coaches be replaced. That is what is happening here.

KU's a decent team that is very well coached. People haven't been very observant and refuse to acknowledge that for some reason; that's their problem.

Any calls for coaches getting replaced should go back to trends over several years.

On the other hand, I've seen it thrown out there that CMC will just leave if fans keep throwing **** at him. If a coach is basing his decisions based off of a bunch of idiots on a message board, that's a little weird.

 

[Goclones1727]

Very insightful convo regarding offenses operating out of shotgun versus under center. Someone please DM this to Manning.

 

[RustShack]

I’d be surprised if CMC doesn’t make any changes to his staff after this season. He’s hired a few coaches that weren’t from his tree or his former players. Some coaches just move on for more experience at other schools anyways. I’m not sure what all our assistants contracts look like either, it’s easier for both party’s to make a change if the contract is up too.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Because they will immediatley bounce back with better players and better coaching. We on the other hand ....
And all things considered 2021 was a down year with the talent we possessed.

It’s as good a talent as we’ve had in the modern era, but compare it to our competition. We can either use team recruiting rankings or players put into the NFL. Take your pick, but without looking I can tell you that we rank near the bottom.

Again, we’ve been punching above our weight for 5 years. That’s hard to sustain, their’s no margin for error, and they weren’t able to meet expectations last year. Now, we’ve turned over much of our production and people or losing their minds.

I think most people thought this would be a rebuilding year, sadly this is what that can look like. Didn’t most think we’d be 3-2 at this point, the difference is losing to KU. I get it, but I had tempered my expectations; despite some fans and media hyping up some players and even suggesting immediate upgrades at some positions.

Here we are. I pray that Brock is back this week, but W2W seems to be CMC’s code for out for several weeks or season. I want to see how this team grows and regroups this Saturday. Every week is going to be a brawl in the league this year.

 

[Stormin]

KU's a decent team that is very well coached. People haven't been very observant and refuse to acknowledge that for some reason; that's their problem.

Any calls for coaches getting replaced should go back to trends over several years.

On the other hand, I've seen it thrown out there that CMC will just leave if fans keep throwing **** at him. If a coach is basing his decisions based off of a bunch of idiots on a message board, that's a little weird.

Fans supporting the Cyclones despite the losing is what brought us Campbell.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

There's lots of variables in play to say the QB coach is substandard. There's another team on the other side of the ball that had plenty of film on Purdy to know what he did well and didn't do well.
There's the offensive line that blocked and protected Purdy. It was and still is a work in progress for CMC.
Purdy was a kid learning to play QB while all this is going on. New coaches, New players, more expectations from fans because of the team's success...he handled all this with class and was a great example of representing the Cyclones.

Lots of variables. We had what, 4-5 guards playing all the a OLine positions last year. The staff didn’t hide that challenges of that and it certainly contributed to not meeting expectations last year. Injuries were a factor in this; of which there were and are many.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

KU's a decent team that is very well coached. People haven't been very observant and refuse to acknowledge that for some reason; that's their problem.

Any calls for coaches getting replaced should go back to trends over several years.

On the other hand, I've seen it thrown out there that CMC will just leave if fans keep throwing **** at him. If a coach is basing his decisions based off of a bunch of idiots on a message board, that's a little weird.

More like soft as ****.

 

[CoKane]

Are we ignoring the loss of RB1, and that RB2 in Ames, was a factor here.

Nobody is ignoring that. We had the same issues last year with one of the best college running backs of all time playing here

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Nobody is ignoring that. We had the same issues last year with one of the best college running backs of all time playing here

Go back and look at his second sentence, do you feel as though he was taking it into account? I didn’t and that’s why I brought it up.

 

[Lineup]

it is all play calling at the wrong time

 

[isufbcurt]

KU's a decent team that is very well coached. People haven't been very observant and refuse to acknowledge that for some reason; that's their problem.

Any calls for coaches getting replaced should go back to trends over several years.

On the other hand, I've seen it thrown out there that CMC will just leave if fans keep throwing **** at him. If a coach is basing his decisions based off of a bunch of idiots on a message board, that's a little weird.

Kansas was a paper tiger and played ****** teams until they met our defense. Their offense was shutdown once they played a competent defense.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Kansas was a paper tiger and played ****** teams until they met our defense. Their offense was shutdown once they played a competent defense.

Don't forget how our offense made their defense look elite.

 

[isufbcurt]

Don't forget how our offense made their defense look elite.

I'm not talking about their defense. I'm talking about their overrated offense and QB that everyone hyped up.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I'm not talking about their defense. I'm talking about their overrated offense and QB that everyone hyped up.

I still think he's really talented but of course he's got inflated stats with the teams they've played.

 

[Steve]

Lots of variables. We had what, 4-5 guards playing all the a OLine positions last year. The staff did hide that challenges of that and it certainly contributed to not meeting expectations last year. Injuries were a factor in this; of which there were and are many.

One other factor. If you go back a couple years, the BigXII had a reputation for wide open offenses along with subpar defenses. Heacock introduced a different approach to the conference. This has not gone unnoticed - more than one team has copied his concepts. Teams have brought in better players and coaches on defense. It is harder to hit big plays today in the BigXII than it was 3 or 4 years ago.