When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

When will you buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

  • Already Own One

    Votes: 57 7.0%
  • In the next year

    Votes: 8 1.0%
  • Between 1-5 years

    Votes: 144 17.6%
  • 6-10 years

    Votes: 184 22.4%
  • 10+ years or never

    Votes: 427 52.1%

  • Total voters
    820

CascadeClone

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Yes, but when you get to 10-20 years (pending how they do things) all costs are variable. You still need to build cash for equipment and structures for future use. You can’t totally disregard them. I’ve seen too many people “live” on depreciation and when it stops, the taxes jump up and they have no reserves to replace equipment.
totally agree. P&L is great, but cash flow is critical.

Cost accounting is the devil's greatest trick.
 
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Cloned

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I’m 5 months into owning a Wrangler PHEV and the drive and feel is night and day different when on battery vs ICE. After driving on battery 80% of the time, it feels so sluggish driving on gas. I drove someone else’s car recently and you get spoiled quickly on the handling of BEV.

Still not sure I’d be ready for full BEV due to the charging in infrastructure in central Iowa/Midwest.
Have you had any issues with your 4xe? I rented one for a week and put it on my short list for next purchase, agree about the difference in driving compared to ICE wrangler both in terms of power and also perhaps the extra battery weight benefitting the ride. It appears there are plenty of used and new 4xe sitting on lots. Unsure if early versions going back to 2021 had any issues compared to the latest model.
 

mramseyISU

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Have you had any issues with your 4xe? I rented one for a week and put it on my short list for next purchase, agree about the difference in driving compared to ICE wrangler both in terms of power and also perhaps the extra battery weight benefitting the ride. It appears there are plenty of used and new 4xe sitting on lots. Unsure if early versions going back to 2021 had any issues compared to the latest model.
If they made them in the gladiator configuration at 4xe would be at the top of my list for what I'm going to buy in the spring.
 
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cycloneworld

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Have you had any issues with your 4xe? I rented one for a week and put it on my short list for next purchase, agree about the difference in driving compared to ICE wrangler both in terms of power and also perhaps the extra battery weight benefitting the ride. It appears there are plenty of used and new 4xe sitting on lots. Unsure if early versions going back to 2021 had any issues compared to the latest model.

No issues so far (only 4k miles on it) and love it. It does make some weird noises when in hybrid mode (battery + ICE working together) but no idea if that's normal as I've never had a PHEV before. The only minor drawback is that while its a big vehicle, the hauling space in the back is really limited. But I would easily purchase again knowing what I know now. FYI I've gone about 3k miles on batter and 1k on gas. Filled up 4 times so far and getting around 1,000 miles per tank (17 gal tank size).
 

simply1

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Have you had any issues with your 4xe? I rented one for a week and put it on my short list for next purchase, agree about the difference in driving compared to ICE wrangler both in terms of power and also perhaps the extra battery weight benefitting the ride. It appears there are plenty of used and new 4xe sitting on lots. Unsure if early versions going back to 2021 had any issues compared to the latest model.
I’ve got a 2022 4xe Rubicon and haven’t had any issues. That said, I don’t think I’d get a ‘21 just because it was the first year for it and there were some issues worked out.
Value has fallen quite a bit on used models because of incentives on the 2024, which has some nice upgrades.
 

ISUKyro

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Sorry if I missed it already; have they started doing much with EVs that have basically a solar panel top?
Was wondering if that had come far enough yet to actually provide anything substantial for some extra charging when parked at work or other location that does have somewhere to plug in?

My first guess was you just wouldn't get enough out of it to justify the cost of adding it as part of the car build. But I have not done a good job keeping up with EV tech.
 

dmclone

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Sorry if I missed it already; have they started doing much with EVs that have basically a solar panel top?
Was wondering if that had come far enough yet to actually provide anything substantial for some extra charging when parked at work or other location that does have somewhere to plug in?

My first guess was you just wouldn't get enough out of it to justify the cost of adding it as part of the car build. But I have not done a good job keeping up with EV tech.
Not enough space to really make a difference. Joe Rogan asked Elon this in the podcast. On the other hand, he mentioned that 100 miles x 100 miles of solar would power the U.S. Of course storing that energy is the biggest issue.
 
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RedlineSi

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Sorry if I missed it already; have they started doing much with EVs that have basically a solar panel top?
Was wondering if that had come far enough yet to actually provide anything substantial for some extra charging when parked at work or other location that does have somewhere to plug in?

My first guess was you just wouldn't get enough out of it to justify the cost of adding it as part of the car build. But I have not done a good job keeping up with EV tech.
It doesn't work.

They tried it years ago to run a fan...that wasn't enough.

I believe Fisker is doing it now, but an entire year in the sun gets you like 1500 miles but it has to literally be in the sun and perfect conditions.
 
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CycloneBax

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How so? Are you expecting fuel prices to go down during this time?

Yes or stable. Right now what keeps fuel prices high is the refinery capacity,

I also think electrical costs are going to go up significantly in the near future due to demand. Infrastructure costs money and the US doesn't have it.
 

CycloneBax

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Lots to unplug here.

Where are you driving on the weekends in the winter? Where are you parking during this time? Why would you need to stop? There are already hybrid SUVs that can go 300+ miles on a tank of gas and plug in...

How is towing long distances the only thing that makes something as a truck?
We go to Okoboji 20+ weekends per year. Including in the winter. We park outside. Not sure how long it would take to charge on normal electrical circuit. The 4XE is something to consider as currently we drive a Durango(500 mile range). We go round trip without filling up. It wouldn't have the space of our Durango, but is maybe something that could work.

Definition of truck: a wheeled vehicle for moving heavy articles

I guess I associate a truck with towing. Maybe hauling rock or materials in the bed. I have seen a lot of negativity on the towing with a Lightning. Not sure if there has been anything on the hauling of a 1/2 ton of materials in the back. Otherwise, it's just a glorified Subaru Brat.

I have a diesel Cummins to pull my 5th wheel to Ames. a $100k Lightning can't do that.
 

CycloneBax

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Not saying this is what you’re looking for, but just giving it as an example. My Mach-E CA Rt 1 AWD gets about 240 miles on a full charge in the middle of winter in Iowa. If I fully precondition before I leave my house it’s a little more than that. In the summer I get about 310 to 315. I’ve pretty easily made road trips to Kansas City, Omaha, and Minneapolis from the Des Moines metro.
Isn't the Mach-E the size of a Ford Focus?
 

CycloneBax

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A whole list of PHEVs that can do what he's asking.
I see there is a 24 Jeep Cherokee. That'll be something to consider for me in a few years when they are used.

I just did a build and price on their website. I chose the cheapest and only added the tow package. It was $62655.
 
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dmclone

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We go to Okoboji 20+ weekends per year. Including in the winter. We park outside. Not sure how long it would take to charge on normal electrical circuit. The 4XE is something to consider as currently we drive a Durango(500 mile range). We go round trip without filling up. It wouldn't have the space of our Durango, but is maybe something that could work.

Definition of truck: a wheeled vehicle for moving heavy articles

I guess I associate a truck with towing. Maybe hauling rock or materials in the bed. I have seen a lot of negativity on the towing with a Lightning. Not sure if there has been anything on the hauling of a 1/2 ton of materials in the back. Otherwise, it's just a glorified Subaru Brat.

I have a diesel Cummins to pull my 5th wheel to Ames. a $100k Lightning can't do that.
Yep, stick with what you have
 

RedlineSi

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If you own the property you park at, adding a 14-50 outlet would allow you to fully charge while you were there.
 

NWICY

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We go to Okoboji 20+ weekends per year. Including in the winter. We park outside. Not sure how long it would take to charge on normal electrical circuit. The 4XE is something to consider as currently we drive a Durang

o(500 mile range). We go round trip without filling up. It wouldn't have the space of our Durango, but is maybe something that could work.

Definition of truck: a wheeled vehicle for moving heavy articles

I guess I associate a truck with towing. Maybe hauling rock or materials in the bed. I have seen a lot of negativity on the towing with a Lightning. Not sure if there has been anything on the hauling of a 1/2 ton of materials in the back. Otherwise, it's just a glorified Subaru Brat.

I have a diesel Cummins to pull my 5th wheel to Ames. a $100k Lightning can't do that.

I appreciate this smooth humble brag. Boji 20 wkends and camper for tailgating Kudos to you good sir!
 

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