Which TCU player will Baylor try to take out?

[khardbored]

Sigh.

Here's the video. Watch the Butler part close up in slow mo starting about 43 seconds.



second-by-second breakdown:

0:43 - Butler blocks his man legally
0:44 - Baylor guy reaches and out grabs HB's jersey near shoulder pad
0:47 - they are engaged and blocking each other, HB "wins" and blocks his man to the ground. At this point the man wants to get up but HB continues contact, this, again is part of normal, legal blocking
0:49 - Baylor guy reaches his arm around HB's left knee
0:49-50: HB tries to get more upright and at this point the Bayor guy also puts his arm around HB's right knee.

It's not entirely clear in this split second if HB was trying to stand up, but unable to, or if he just was re-positioning to continue to block, or what. We won't ever know for sure what his motive was, and what he "would have done" if he hadn't been held around the knees, but it does not appear that he was "kneeing" his man -- it looks like his right knee is above the defender's shoulder (recall Butler has very long legs!) so his shin was on the defender's torso. There was no "kneeing" - he was being held down and I don't think he had a choice but to either be in this awkward position or fall forward very awkwardly -- again, he was being restrained behind the knees.

0:51 - Baylor #31 comes over and shoves Butler off of the other guy, then the dogpile develops and at that point you can't see what Butler does from then on.


Watching it in slow-mo, from my point of view, in my semi-professional opinion, Butler did nothing wrong physically. We have no way to know what he was saying.

Butler didn't do anything an official should have flagged, so to say he "Started it" is either extremely biased or you didn't really watch it in detail.

 

[Clonefan94]

You can only see what you are capable of seeing. This is a phrase used by an instructor who teaches cutting edge techniques in the sport that he is involved in. He can analyze a video and see critical items that the average person simply can't see. He has to keep reminding himself to be patient with those who struggle with failure to see the minor details that greatly impact outcomes. The limitations are usually not related to one's intelligence level. More often the lack of understanding comes from issues such as making snap decisions or not being able to get past personal biases that hinder one seeing what they need to see.

Oh jeez Rick!

 

[Sparkplug]

#31 got the personal for the Gatoraid hold and he would have been included in the everyone unsportsmanlike call. Could he have been ejected for two calls in one game?

 

[VeloClone]

what?!?!?!

Yeah, apparently Rhule felt that the more hits (the announcers apparently assumed he meant legal hits) they dished out to Montgomery the less effective he would be in the later stages of the game. Apparently by halftime the legal hits weren't working so they had to go a different route.

 

[keepngoal]

Yeah, apparently Rhule felt that the more hits (the announcers apparently assumed he meant legal hits) they dished out to Montgomery the less effective he would be in the later stages of the game. Apparently by halftime the legal hits weren't working so they had to go a different route.

moving aside the brawl from BU .... that is a strange way to say we are keying on Montgomery. Strange to the point of what is he really saying.

When you add in the brawl from BU, this becomes a worrisome quote.

 

[khardbored]

#31 got the personal for the Gatoraid hold and he would have been included in the everyone unsportsmanlike call. Could he have been ejected for two calls in one game?

Personal Fouls and Unsportsmanlikes are 2 different things.

2 Unsportsmanlikes in 1 game = automatic ejection

Personal fouls even when combined don't lead to an automatic ejection. (Of course, any personal foul can be ruled flagrant [such as fighting] and lead to an ejection)