Who does the HAWKS most resemble in the Big 12?

[AmesHawk]

Nebraska had started coming apart while in the big xii. They knew it was now or never for a move. They were losing more games in a season than they typically used to in 3-4. They were struggling to make the adjustment from a triple option to the spreads that the big xii went to. They were getting their rears handed to them in the conference.

One big bone of contention with the big xii was the elimination of partial qualifiers, they helped make nebby what they were. The move to the big ten allows them to reenter that recruiting area.

Not sure the B1G is keen on partial qualifiers either, but otherwise your post is spot on. They were getting hammered the last couple of years of XII membership.

I guess we have different definitions of getting their "rears handed to them" or "getting hammered" in conference play.

Last three years in the B12:
2008: 5-3, Tied for first place
2009: 6-2, Outright first place, went to B12 Championship
2010: 6-2, Tied for first place, went to B12 Championship

I've seen worse.

 

[keepngoal]

Maybe someday isu will be bigger than Iowa in something other than enrollment. You can always dream.

Dreams and selective time frames are all isu has.

Maybe someday Iowa won't be subsidized by ISU for their enrollment.

 

[Gunnerclone]

What's the greatest accomplishment that Rutgers, Maryland, and Nebraska have added to the Big 10?
Honestly, Maryland reaching one Sweet 16?
Nebraska's attendance streak will stop, that's how much they love the B1G. Well, at least the B1G channel can show old Big 8 and Big 12 games on the flashback days.

Hours of historical Big 8 and Big 12 content to the Big Ten Network.

 

[JP4CY]

They were added for money and the future, just as the Big 12 is about to do. No team the Big 12 will now add will add anything other than money just like Rutgers and Maryland.

I'd take BYU's athletics over Rutgers and Maryland easily. Nebraska's football is about even with BYU, but then again the Cougars won in Lincoln last year. And Nebraska has made what, 1 NCAA tourney in the last two decades? Then promptly got curb stomped by a Big 12 team.

 

[yowza]

I'd take BYU's athletics over Rutgers and Maryland easily. Nebraska's football is about even with BYU, but then again the Cougars won in Lincoln last year. And Nebraska has made what, 1 NCAA tourney in the last two decades? Then promptly got curb stomped by a Big 12 team.

Rutgers and Maryland were recruiting and money grabs. No argument there. It was to get on TVs in the northeast. I don't get excited when Iowa plays Rutgers or Maryland. Maybe someday it will be but not then or now. I like BYU. They have some history with success for sure, but recent times they have been average and yes they beat Nebraska on a Hail Mary if you want to call that strategy or an absolute beating so be it. First year coach trying to get his changes in. I believe I see the same thing being stated about ISU. When you talk basketball you lose me because we all know football is money and what pays for everything else. Does basketball add some, yeah but look at the totals. Have not looked, but is there a BYU basketball team???

 

[JP4CY]

Does basketball add some, yeah but look at the totals. Have not looked, but is there a BYU basketball team???

Yeah, they've got uniforms and everything. It's really great!

 

[cyhiphopp]

How could you say SOS is a meaningless figure? Your SOS plays a factor in how many wins you have per season. Even the dumbest Hawk fans would say Iowa wouldn't have gone undefeated with ISU's schedule last year because they had a tougher SOS. I know reading is hard for you but cmon man

I think you're overestimating the dumbest hawk fans.

There's a large contingent who will argue that SOS and Sagarin rankings are skewed. That Iowa played a great schedule last year and obviously has more talent than Michigan.

 

[im4cyru]

I guess we have different definitions of getting their "rears handed to them" or "getting hammered" in conference play.

Last three years in the B12:
2008: 5-3, Tied for first place
2009: 6-2, Outright first place, went to B12 Championship
2010: 6-2, Tied for first place, went to B12 Championship

I've seen worse.

They lost 6 conference games in 2007, 3 in 2005 while beating ISU by 7 and K-ST by 2 in Lincoln. They dropped 3 conference games in 2008 and 2009. Hardly the Nebraska of the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

 

[JP4CY]

I guess we have different definitions of getting their "rears handed to them" or "getting hammered" in conference play.

Last three years in the B12:
2008: 5-3, Tied for first place
2009: 6-2, Outright first place, went to B12 Championship
2010: 6-2, Tied for first place, went to B12 Championship

I've seen worse.

In 2008 their B12 victories were over KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor, and Colorado.
In 2009 their B12 victories were over Mizzou, Baylor, OU, KU, KSU, Colorado.
In 2010 their B12 victories were over KSU, OSU, Mizzou, ISU, Kansas, and Colorado.

This time frame was when Texas was very good, OU was very good, TT and A&M were good. They have 1 win over those 4 teams. Not exactly a list of great conference victories. Kind of like 2015 Iowa to tell you the truth.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Pretty sure BYU would take iowa to the wood shed in basketball at Provo.

 

[AmesHawk]

In 2008 their B12 victories were over KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor, and Colorado.
In 2009 their B12 victories were over Mizzou, Baylor, OU, KU, KSU, Colorado.
In 2010 their B12 victories were over KSU, OSU, Mizzou, ISU, Kansas, and Colorado.

This time frame was when Texas was very good, OU was very good, TT and A&M were good. They have 1 win over those 4 teams. Not exactly a list of great conference victories. Kind of like 2015 Iowa to tell you the truth.

Agreed, but does not mean they were "getting hammered" in conference play, especially when they were 1st/Tied for 1st in their division for the last three years in the B12 and lost out on a B12 Championship by 1 point in 2009 and 3 points in 2010.

Like I said, apparently we have different definitions of what getting their "rears handed to them" in conference play means.

 

[JP4CY]

Agreed, but does not mean they were "getting hammered" in conference play, especially when they were 1st/Tied for 1st in their division for the last three years in the B12 and lost out on a B12 Championship by 1 point in 2009 and 3 points in 2010.

Like I said, apparently we have different definitions of what getting their "rears handed to them" in conference play means.

I personally never said they were getting hammered. And the 1 point and 3 point losses are counteracted by games they should have lost but won, like beating ISU by 1.

Nebraska hasn't been in a BCS level bowl game for 15 years now. They are about as average as you can get now.

 

[AmesHawk]

I personally never said they were getting hammered. And the 1 point and 3 point losses are counteracted by games they should have lost but won, like beating ISU by 1.

Nebraska hasn't been in a BCS level bowl game for 15 years now. They are about as average as you can get now.

Which is why I didn't quote you originally.

As for the last sentence, I would agree to an extent. I'm sure there are a lot of "average" schools out there that would love to have 9-10 wins in 8 of their last 10 years.

Lastly, I can't stand Nebraska and will conclude sticking up for them in any way with this post.

 

[Papahawk21]

Cyclone Nation is nostalgic for the glory days of Clyde Williams (University of Iowa, 1898-1901) and Taftian America. Perhaps, The University of Iowa can send another graduate to Ames with dreams of reviving a dilapidated program. Did Taft invite those MVIAA championship teams to The White House?

Best of luck!

 

[cyhiphopp]

Cyclone Nation is nostalgic for the glory days of Clyde Williams (University of Iowa, 1898-1901) and Taftian America. Perhaps, The University of Iowa can send another graduate to Ames with dreams of reviving a dilapidated program. Did Taft invite those MVIAA championship teams to The White House?

Best of luck!

You're the only one alive from those days on this site. You'd have to let us know.

 

[VeloClone]

Does?

 

[surly]

Iowa looks a lot like K-State to me as well. Uniforms for one thing. Both coaches learned under Hayden Fry. Both like to run the football. But Snyder is far more diverse; I suspect his playbook is 10x the size of Iowa's. Defensively, they both try to keep everything in front and don't take chances. Talent levels also seem similar. Both programs tend to overachieve expectations, are respected nationally but not considered elite by anyone.

http://preseason.stassen.com/over-under/all-teams.html

 

[VoiceOfReason]

I think the Kansas State comparison makes the most sense. The biggest difference between the two programs is probably consistency. I think Iowa generally is a little bit more talented than Kansas State, but Iowa struggles to consistently do more with the talent. The result of that problem is higher highs and lower lows.

I am curious what would happen if Kirk and Bill Snyder switched teams over the last 16 years. I have always been curious what would have happened to the branches of the Hayden Fry coaching tree (McCarney, Ferentz, Snyder, Stoops) had they landed in different jobs out of the group. I think they're all relatively close in terms of talent, but they jobs they landed presented different benefits and challenges.

 

[surly]

Snyder brought a program from the dead to national prominence. Kirk had a history on his side dating back to Forest and before. Bobby took over an absolute juggernaut. They would have all succeeded elsewhere, I'm sure. Had Snyder taken the UCLA job when approached back in the '90's, who knows what levels he would have achieved.