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Uthoff didn't drop 30 on Niang. Short memory......we had two injured guards Naz and Monte had trouble switching. Easy to drop wide open 3's.
 

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North Carolina - Marcus Page/MSU - Valentine/ISU - Monte Morris and Naz Long. Hawks like claiming their fame by beating or playing well against top ranked teams that are missing their top players due to injury. If any of the above teams were 100% healthy at the time Iowa played them they would be dropped by 10 to 20 points. Yeah I've heard all the crap on how Iowa beat MSU the second game - lol Valentine's first game back playing @ 65% at best.
 

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If ISU were to play Iowa on a neutral court again two things would happen. 1) ISU would win decisively 2) Uthoff wouldn't bank over 15 points.
 

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My point that George Niang's career is far better than Uthoff's is a dumb argument? You must be an Iowa fan or lack reading and comprehension skills. Uthoff's lousy 1000 points by comparison is the "NUFF SAID".
 

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Uthoff had 18 points in the 2nd half tonight vs Rutgers

Uthoff's problem vs ISU mainly was the inability of Iowa's PGs to run a cohesive offense and get him the ball. He's likely more skilled offensively than Niang and has better shot blocking ability due to his length. Two completely different players though, so I'm not sure why we're trying to compare the two. I honestly don't think Niang is ISU's most valuable player this season anyways.


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Niang can play all positions 1 to 5 and Uthoff can't. Uthoff has the luxury of a deeper bench and can rest where ISU has little to no bench........not to mention Big 12 play much harder than Big10. When it comes to "career stats" Uthoff is not even close. On many levels hard to believe we are even having this discussion. Beating Iowa is easier than one thinks. I'm not surprised Iowa is winning. I'm surprised Big 10 teams haven't figured it out yet. To beat Iowa all you have to do is stop the 3's. Put your two best defensive players on Joc and Uthoff and you win the game. Just stick to em like glue. I don't think Iowa has broke 30 points in a half when they don't get all those 3's. Just look at second half of ISU and MSU games it's quite obvious. Once these other teams figure out the Iowa 3 point game they will probably fall off the Big 10 cliff....and so will Uthoff's stats.

The saying goes, you are what you can defend. IE, just because Niang can bring the ball up court, he really can't play the PG position if he can't defend the point guard position. Niang can play the 3-5, not the point of off guard positions. Not only that, but his D against the 3-5 is less than average. Niang is just not strong defensively.
 

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How do those compare to Buddy Hield and let's just pick an average college player, let's go with Isaac Haas?

Someone already answered, but Hield is 30.5 or .1 point higher than Uthoff.

I'm assuming you used Haas, because you knew his PER numbers are off the charts. He is similar to Towns of Kentucky from last year. Limited Min., but what he does on the court is crazy good. He is a NBA player you realize right, trying to say he is an Avg. player just shows your limited basketball knowledge.
 

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Anyone can be efficient when they shy away from the big moments when you need a basket. There are times when a play needs to be made against more pressure and you aren't as efficient in those situations.
 

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Georges also plays 3 more minutes per game than Uthoff.

For an actual apples to apples comparison:

Stats per 40 min:

Georges: 24.2 ppg, 7.9 reb, 3.8 apg, 1.1 stl, 0.9 blk, 2.4 TO
Uthoff: 25.5 ppg, 8.5 reb, 1.6 apg, 1.2 stl, 4.2 blk, 1.9 TO

Just for the hell of it, here is each player's PER (player efficiency rating), in which higher is better (and only one player in the NBA has a rating over 30 this year):

Georges 26.6
Uthoff 30.4

Now it appears Uthoff has had a better season, no?

Burton averages 21.6 points per 40 minutes but for some reason when they show him on TV it only has him at like 8 pts or something. I'm confused
 

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Someone already answered, but Hield is 30.5 or .1 point higher than Uthoff.

I'm assuming you used Haas, because you knew his PER numbers are off the charts. He is similar to Towns of Kentucky from last year. Limited Min., but what he does on the court is crazy good. He is a NBA player you realize right, trying to say he is an Avg. player just shows your limited basketball knowledge.

He averages 10 pts and 4 boards a game and has a higher PER than Buddy Hield. I know he is an NBA prospect but he puts up average college numbers
 

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Uthoff had 18 points in the 2nd half tonight vs Rutgers

Uthoff's problem vs ISU mainly was the inability of Iowa's PGs to run a cohesive offense and get him the ball. He's likely more skilled offensively than Niang and has better shot blocking ability due to his length. Two completely different players though, so I'm not sure why we're trying to compare the two. I honestly don't think Niang is ISU's most valuable player this season anyways.

I find this to be curious.
 

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Gesell is the last person you want with the ball with 2 minutes before half or the end of the game. He'll have a good game here and there but he does some real head scratching things at times and he's not a guy who can take it to the rim in crunch time consistently. He's really tough on defense but is prone to offensive gaffes and is limited somewhat. He and Sapp did a poor job of creating space and getting the ball to Uthoff in the 2nd half.

I do find it funny that Iowa fans will say Iowa is better than ISU this year and then go on and talk about how much worse their players are.

Have you ever watched ISU? Niang creates his own offense if things aren't working. I don't know how many games we just hand him the ball and clear out and let him go to work. He makes his teammates better and doesn't need them to make him better. Uthoff can't do either
 

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I do find it funny that Iowa fans will say Iowa is better than ISU this year and then go on and talk about how much worse their players are.

Have you ever watched ISU? Niang creates his own offense if things aren't working. I don't know how many games we just hand him the ball and clear out and let him go to work. He makes his teammates better and doesn't need them to make him better. Uthoff can't do either

Lol, this thread is even better than the Foster one and I can't believe that's possible.
 

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I guess you could ask is any Iowa player better than their counterpart at ISU.

Niang vs. Uthoff....Niang
McKay vs. Woodbury....McKay
Morris vs. Gessel....Morris
Thomas vs. Clemmons....Thomas
Nader vs. Jok....Maybe Jok, but not by much
 

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Uthoff had 18 points in the 2nd half tonight vs Rutgers

Uthoff's problem vs ISU mainly was the inability of Iowa's PGs to run a cohesive offense and get him the ball. He's likely more skilled offensively than Niang and has better shot blocking ability due to his length. Two completely different players though, so I'm not sure why we're trying to compare the two. I honestly don't think Niang is ISU's most valuable player this season anyways.

Most players in the county can have 18 vs Rutgers in a half. ISU put pressure on him and he backed down. Niang has been ISU most valuable player for the last 3 seasons. Just because he doesn't score 30 a night doesn't mean he brings a lot to this team.
 

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Where are people getting that Uthoff has better stats that Niang? I just looked up the stats and there's no way you can say that his #s are better. You can make an argument that it's close but in no way can you say obviously better.

After hearing people bust a nut about how awesome a defender Uthoff is I figured he'd have a ton of steals. Nope. Less steals than Niang on the season and per game. He blocks 2 shots more per game than Niang and is among national leaders in blocks, that's really the only stat he's better in. Niang scores more, rebounds more and has more assists. Then there's the obvious leadership ability and history of being a clutch player over and over and over.

After looking at the stats and being severely underwhelmed at this made up stats advantage, give me the guy who is a vocal leader and proven clutch game winning player...oh and he happens to simply produce more in everything but blocked shots as well.

edit: I'd also note that there is major value/uniqueness in a guy who can play all 5 positions. Uthoff is quite versatile and I'd say can play multiple positions but I you couldn't win a game throwing the other team off by having him play point guard the way Niang has over his career some games for ISU.
 
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