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I don't think so. Resume is one part put you also have to evaluate independently on how you think that guy would do as a head coach. There are guys with great resumes that fail and ones that don't have much on their resume succeed.
yeah, I am not saying TJ is a better coach or he should have gotten. All I am saying is I don't think it had anything to do with TJ not being a head coach before. I think the evaluated all the candidates equally and decided Prohm was the best fit moving forward. Also, don't forget the Mayor himself liked Prohm for the job. I think of Pollard thought TJ was the guy he would have hired him regardless of not being a head coach. It isn't like Prohm had an extensive or super impressive resume. He won games with more talent than the rest of his teams in the league but he also only went to the tournament once with someone else's players.
Probably. I think HC experience was a factor, but not the only factor.
The mayor himself said what pollard wanted him to say. If pollard had hired the devil himself, Fred would have supported the decision.
Fred wanted TJ. That’s the only reason TJ came back when he knew Fred was going to leave.
Frankly, that’s the main reason I wanted them to look elsewhere.
Prohm had far more success at Murray than TJ has at SDSU. I'll take Prohm 10 times out of 10. He's the right guy for the job, here. Glad TJ is having success, though.
The grass is not always greener.
The grass is not always greener.
You explain to me what argument you thought I was making, because my whole point was he wasn't snubbed because he would never have even been under consideration at any other major D1 program because of his resume, which is absolutely true. What part of that doesn't hold water exactly?
I wonder what would have happened had TJ never left.
I know he went to UDub for "more experience" (and because he was dating Alison Lacey, and gosh knows what a man would rightfully do for her), but if he had stayed in Ames when Fred left to go to the NBA, and TJ had to have known it was coming sometime...
...then he has been Fred's right-hand man during one of the most successful runs in Cyclone basketball history and would have had recruited much of the team. Most of the recruiting pipeline at the time would have been in his name, as well, and probably worth preserving.
The program would have been built around him as much as Fred, and I have always heard that TJ was a huge part of game planning and preparation, as well.
I mean, how could he not get the job at that point?
I know he went to UDub for "more experience" (and because he was dating Alison Lacey, and gosh knows what a man would rightfully do for her), but if he had stayed in Ames when Fred left to go to the NBA, and TJ had to have known it was coming sometime...
...then he has been Fred's right-hand man during one of the most successful runs in Cyclone basketball history and would have had recruited much of the team. Most of the recruiting pipeline at the time would have been in his name, as well, and probably worth preserving.
The program would have been built around him as much as Fred, and I have always heard that TJ was a huge part of game planning and preparation, as well.
I mean, how could he not get the job at that point?
I think it’s sad that we can’t just be happy for TJ. But the prohm haters are here to try to make this into some battle.
Sad part is when we start winning again, they’ll crawl back into their holes.
Sad part is when we start winning again, they’ll crawl back into their holes.
Agree that it wasn’t much a resume difference, as supported by the fact we hired fairly new head coach from the Ohio Valley for a salary near the bottom of Big 12. An external candidate one layer up from entry level isn’t significantly better than the internal candidate.
Two similar caliber candidates with different appeals. Be confident enough in Prohm to not feel the need to distort TJ’s candidacy.
A lot has changed in that time. None of Calhoun's players are still around and UConn in the AAC doesn't carry nearly the clout they did in the old Big East. They've lost their rivalries, their regional affiliation, and a good chunk of their national TV coverage.
They've obviously got history on their side vs. ISU, and actually the other programs you mentioned as well, but I wouldn't trade places with them RIGHT NOW, and I don't think they belong in the same breath as MSU, L'Ville or Zona, controversies aside.
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That is simply not true. You either don't remember or didn't pay attention when it was reported that Hoiberg was the one that recommended Prohm as a candidate.
This is from a Gazette article after Prohm was hired.
“So during our discussions,” Pollard said, “I said to Fred ‘OK, so if you leave, who’s out there that I ought to be thinking about?’ The first person out of his mouth was Steve Prohm.
“The reason was ‘He runs everything that I run, he’s a man of character, he will fit your style.’ ”
Jesus, any idiot could see that was spin. They would have had that exact same quote no matter who they hired. Again, Fred wanted TJ. I suspect Fred got TJ to come back by saying he’d get the job. TJ NEVER would have come back knowing thd coach was leaving without a promise of the job. But Leath got involved and made pollard interview others.
Fred owed it to the players he recruited to be 100% on board with his replacement.
I’m very glad we have the coach we do. I think he is s good coach. I never liked the idea of hiring TJ because it was such a transparent move.
Since we can’t hold on to a coach for more than 5 years, I suspect TJ will be our coach in 2020.
Believe what you want. I figured you were smarter than that though. And I know TJ is smarter than someone who would leave a job and come to a place for a month knowing that his boss was going to leave right away and therefore he could easily and likely would be out of a job in June.
And if Fred Hoiberg knew who in the hell Steve Prohm was before pollard texted him the “quote” they were going to release, I’ll route for the bulls for the rest of my days.
People like you are the reason we can't have reasonable discussions from both sides of the spectrum on this board. Having a difference of opinion is not hating.
