Brink of Disaster......?

[Urbandale2013]

Take a look at the Ames population pyramid. Obviously the majority of ISU students are claiming Ames.

Ames, Iowa Population 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

I said I leaned towards most being included. I don’t think it as indisputable as you seem to think it is though. How about we just take everything for what it is. Imperfect data points. Make decisions as best we can with as much information that is available.

Just like with the teams it is never as good as it seems and it is never as bad as it seems. Take precautions but don’t spread fear porn. I know I’m sick and tired of both sides on this issue.

 

[cycloneG]

I said I leaned towards most being included. I don’t think it as indisputable as you seem to think it is though. How about we just take everything for what it is. Imperfect data points. Make decisions as best we can with as much information that is available.

Just like with the teams it is never as good as it seems and it is never as bad as it seems. Take precautions but don’t spread fear porn. I know I’m sick and tired of both sides on this issue.

I never said they were perfect. I'm just stating the population numbers are not as far off as some are claiming.

 

[BCClone]

Sure but the data we're talking about is from the 2010 census.

Doing the best I can with the 2000 and 2010 census data and total student populations, which isn't easy because they even changed their age brackets from what I could get. If I rough it in the best I can, it appears 10-12,000 students are not counted maybe in the census counts.

 

[Urbandale2013]

I never said they were perfect. I'm just stating the population numbers are not as far off as some are claiming.

That’s definitely not the vibe you are putting off. As I said I don’t have a horse in the race but the argument was very they are all included or none are included from an outside observer. It sounds like Iowa State took issues with the data too so I think we should just wait and see.

This editorial was fear porn and I have a tough time with Iowa State and Iowa being that much worse than every other college town. I think we should be cautious and wait for more information.

 

[cycloneG]

That’s definitely not the vibe you are putting off. As I said I don’t have a horse in the race but the argument was very they are all included or none are included from an outside observer. It sounds like Iowa State took issues with the data too so I think we should just wait and see.

This editorial was fear porn and I have a tough time with Iowa State and Iowa being that much worse than every other college town. I think we should be cautious and wait for more information.

If you're getting a vibe, that's on you. I'm simply providing information for discussion.

 

[cycloneG]

Doing the best I can with the 2000 and 2010 census data and total student populations, which isn't easy because they even changed their age brackets from what I could get. If I rough it in the best I can, it appears 10-12,000 students are not counted maybe in the census counts.

"According to the US Census Bureau, the total population of the city of Ames in 2017 was 65,005 people, with 30,594 citizens being part-time enrolled students. The summer of 2018 brought along a large population drop, leaving Ames to be home to only 34,411 residents."

Ames to see population drop as semester ends

With the second semester and finals week coming to an end, students of Iowa State are making plans for their summer break. Many of these plans take place back in

www.iowastatedaily.com

 

[Gonzo]

Choosing to be completely honest, if the tables were turned to where we weren't playing and worthless P.O.S. Barta was pulling a Pollard, I'd want it to blow up in their faces as well.

I'm hopeful that the SEC, Big 12, ACC can pull off a successful season. I'll take any college football I can get. How anyone could hope for or be happy about thousands of college student-athletes having such a monumental life experience ripped off as a result of this global sh*tstorm, just because of what school or conference they play for, is baffling to me.

 

[BCClone]

"According to the US Census Bureau, the total population of the city of Ames in 2017 was 65,005 people, with 30,594 citizens being part-time enrolled students. The summer of 2018 brought along a large population drop, leaving Ames to be home to only 34,411 residents."

Ames to see population drop as semester ends

With the second semester and finals week coming to an end, students of Iowa State are making plans for their summer break. Many of these plans take place back in

www.iowastatedaily.com

Using the 183 day rule, Ames is really messing things up, if that is what they are doing. To back up the numbers I came up with I reverse worked things. Looks like 31,700 was this year. Freshman classes are 6k roughly, they can't be counted due do only showing up in August. Graduating seniors in the spring would be roughly 5k (lose some freshmen but the graduate schools would pop in some also). So right there are 11k students that are only in Ames for one semester (which is less than half a year). This falls in my original numbers of 10-12 from what I could pull out of census information. So 11/98 is 11% and 45/2400 to get rid of the antigen screw up is 1.9%. So basically they are only off 13%. I was off with the 25-33%.

EDIT: Adding those numbers up in the article. I don't think there is anyway you can say 100% of the students left Ames. Some are from there, some rent apartments and live on their own, and some other various things that would say that that 2018 census stuff can't just subtract 100% from that.

 

[brett108]

This past week, researchers reported cases of reinfection in a patient in Hong Kong and two patients in Europe; but in all three cases, the patients either developed a milder form of COVID-19 or were asymptomatic the second time around, according to NBC News.

But according to the new case study, the 25-year-old Nevada patient developed more severe symptoms the second time he was infected. His case was published as a preprint on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) and hasn't yet been peer-reviewed. The researchers have submitted their paper to the journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases.

Lab confirms first case of coronavirus reinfection in the US

The patient had symptoms both times.

www.livescience.com

Maybe he didn't have a full blown infection in his first positive.

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be. (Published 2020)

The usual diagnostic tests may simply be too sensitive and too slow to contain the spread of the virus.

www.nytimes.com

Its becoming pretty clear that testing isnt always correct and written in stone. We are learning more as we go and need to expect that any results we get now should be weighted more heavily than what we saw 2-3 months ago.

 

[cycloneG]

Using the 183 day rule, Ames is really messing things up, if that is what they are doing. To back up the numbers I came up with I reverse worked things. Looks like 31,700 was this year. Freshman classes are 6k roughly, they can't be counted due do only showing up in August. Graduating seniors in the spring would be roughly 5k (lose some freshmen but the graduate schools would pop in some also). So right there are 11k students that are only in Ames for one semester (which is less than half a year). This falls in my original numbers of 10-12 from what I could pull out of census information. So 11/98 is 11% and 45/2400 to get rid of the antigen screw up is 1.9%. So basically they are only off 13%. I was off with the 25-33%.

EDIT: Adding those numbers up in the article. I don't think there is anyway you can say 100% of the students left Ames. Some are from there, some rent apartments and live on their own, and some other various things that would say that that 2018 census stuff can't just subtract 100% from that.

I never left Ames over the summer so I know not every student leaves. It does look like a majority of the student population claims Ames as place of residence during the census.

 

[cycloneG]

Maybe he didn't have a full blown infection in his first positive.

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be. (Published 2020)

The usual diagnostic tests may simply be too sensitive and too slow to contain the spread of the virus.

www.nytimes.com

Its becoming pretty clear that testing isnt always correct and written in stone. We are learning more as we go and need to expect that any results we get now should be weighted more heavily than what we saw 2-3 months ago.

They identified and sequenced two different virus strains. He was infected two separate times.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

Using the 183 day rule, Ames is really messing things up, if that is what they are doing. To back up the numbers I came up with I reverse worked things. Looks like 31,700 was this year. Freshman classes are 6k roughly, they can't be counted due do only showing up in August. Graduating seniors in the spring would be roughly 5k (lose some freshmen but the graduate schools would pop in some also). So right there are 11k students that are only in Ames for one semester (which is less than half a year). This falls in my original numbers of 10-12 from what I could pull out of census information. So 11/98 is 11% and 45/2400 to get rid of the antigen screw up is 1.9%. So basically they are only off 13%. I was off with the 25-33%.

EDIT: Adding those numbers up in the article. I don't think there is anyway you can say 100% of the students left Ames. Some are from there, some rent apartments and live on their own, and some other various things that would say that that 2018 census stuff can't just subtract 100% from that.

There's no 183 day rule for the Census, that's for the IRS. The Census rules for usual residence are pretty clear.


"10 b) College students living away from their parents’ or guardians’ home while attending college in the United States (living either on-campus or off-campus) - Counted at the on-campus or off-campus residence where they live and sleep most of the time. If they are living in college/university student housing (such as dormitories or residence halls) on Census Day, they are counted at the college/university student housing.
c) College students living away from their parents’ or guardians’ home while attending college in the United States (living either on-campus or off-campus) but staying at their parents’ or guardians’ home while on break or vacation - Counted at the on-campus or off-campus residence where they live and sleep most of the time. If they are living in college/university student housing (such as dormitories or residence halls) on Census Day, they are counted at the college/university student housing. "

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/programs-surveys/decennial/2020-census/2020-Census-Residence-Criteria.pdf

 

[SpokaneCY]

Look man, I'm not one of these crazies who thinks it's a hoax or anything. But college age kids are at pretty damn low risk for complications. A lot of people are gonna feel pretty ****** for a few days, then they'll get over it and be immune. I fail to see the "disaster."

College kids going to party gyms and passing along a virus that's NOT an STD. Seems like progress?

 

[BCClone]

I never left Ames over the summer so I know not every student leaves. It does look like a majority of the student population claims Ames as place of residence during the census.

Wonder if Ames claims them more likely. I know towns have been able to do some “missed individuals “ in their counts for census stuff. A town I lived in was working on this because at certain levels govt funding increases for stuff. This town needed to find about 80 people to get 5000. The magically found 90.

 

[VeloClone]

I have a strong feeling that most parents label their kids at their home. On taxes, they aren't considered to be on their own, so many will probably place them as their own address. I know I never filled out anything when at ISU for the 1990 census.

You didn't? How could you ignore the HUGE push about making sure you were counted in Ames?

I have never seen such a huge clamor about making sure everyone was counted. Ames was very concerned that they needed to make the 50,000 mark since there were a lot more funds available to municipalities over that mark than for those just under 50K. Ames ended up with a count of 47,XXX and missed out on the money for another 10 years.

 

[brett108]

They identified and sequenced two different virus strains. He was infected two separate times.

Once again his first positive may not have been a full blow infection due to excessive replication. If reinfection were possible you think we would see just a single confirmed case after 6 million possible infections? Here is a quote directly from your article, which I am wondering if you read.

However, "it is crucial to note that the frequency of such a phenomenon is not defined by a singular case study," they wrote. "This may represent a rare event

 

[cycloneG]

Wonder if Ames claims them more likely. I know towns have been able to do some “missed individuals “ in their counts for census stuff. A town I lived in was working on this because at certain levels govt funding increases for stuff. This town needed to find about 80 people to get 5000. The magically found 90.

It's 100% about government funding which is why the big push by Ames and ISU.

 

[BCClone]

There's no 183 day rule for the Census, that's for the IRS. The Census rules for usual residence are pretty clear.


"10 b) College students living away from their parents’ or guardians’ home while attending college in the United States (living either on-campus or off-campus) - Counted at the on-campus or off-campus residence where they live and sleep most of the time. If they are living in college/university student housing (such as dormitories or residence halls) on Census Day, they are counted at the college/university student housing.
c) College students living away from their parents’ or guardians’ home while attending college in the United States (living either on-campus or off-campus) but staying at their parents’ or guardians’ home while on break or vacation - Counted at the on-campus or off-campus residence where they live and sleep most of the time. If they are living in college/university student housing (such as dormitories or residence halls) on Census Day, they are counted at the college/university student housing. "

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/programs-surveys/decennial/2020-census/2020-Census-Residence-Criteria.pdf

What is meant by most of the time?

 

[SpokaneCY]

High quality journalism right there.

The Precipice of Pandamonium.
The Ledge of Lunacy
The Corner of Chaos
The Roost of Revolution
Dogs and cats, LIVING together....

 

[qwerty]

If people are immune, how come we have some people getting Covid19 a second time? We have only had Covid19 around for a few months and people are getting a second time. That does not sound like immunity.