Can't speak for Al but I'd say no.
The only way I can imagine is as a tag-along. The B1G presidents could hold their nose and take us but I agree with Al, KSU is beyond the pale.
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Can't speak for Al but I'd say no.
The only way I can imagine is as a tag-along. The B1G presidents could hold their nose and take us but I agree with Al, KSU is beyond the pale.
Iirc UT & aTm are different than UI/ISU, OU/oSu or KU/KSU. Isn't it separate regent systems? I could be wrong but I thought our linkage was closer than theirs?
Well KSU at least has success in football behind them, we really dont have a ton of success at any sport. Basketball has been good not great, football obviously has no history.
ISU is an AAU institution with expertise in certain areas that would be seen as valuable in partnership with other institutions. Even with KSUs recent football success they don't move the needle any more than ISU with regard to realignment. To other conference commissioners and university presidents the state of Kansas = KU in terms of eyeballs academics.
Imo KSU is more likely to ultimately suffer P5 exclusion than ISU but we are at great risk.
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If the Big 12 blew up with UT and OU going to the Pac or SEC, then yes.
Notre Dame isn't joining any time soon, and us and KU are the only schools in the Big 12 that meet their criteria. If they can't reel in OU and UT (and they can't/won't) ISU and KU would be the only unaffiliated AAU schools. KU isn't going to be in a position to demand KSU's inclusion, and with KU in the fold, ISU would be a strong geographical fit.
As much as I don't like the idea of the Big 10 and not having Texas recruiting, having a division with 5 opponents within 3-4 hours of Ames would be cool for fans.
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If the Big 12 blows up (I don't think it will happen) and Notre Dame refuses to join, what do you expect the Big 10 to do?
My statement is contingent on both of those things happening. If Notre Dame decides to join the Big 10, we'd have no chance unless they wanted to go past 16.
ND will likely never join the Big10, unless they can work out a deal to not give money to the CIC. If the ACC explodes, I can't see them going to the AAC or SEC, Big12 is about their last option.
Who knows if they still want independence in 2025...
Who knows if they still want independence in 2025...
It all depends on if bigger is viewed as better. In your scenario we assume that conferences all like the idea of 16-20 teams.
I agree it's most likely if the biggest $ pieces of the Big 12 go to Pac and SEC rather than Big 10, then the Big 10 continues with the poaching of the ACC it already started and maybe Kansas, if the ACC truly remained strong taking away the B10s desired expansion route (which I doubt they would the way Maryland bolted) only then ISU could potentially go along with KU if the Pac and SEC have another round of expansion adding significant B12 programs.
Certain power brokers want 4 conferences but the natural selection untamed nature of it seems like we're destined for 5 or 3, the non-marquee ACC and Big 12 teams absolutely need at least one of the conferences to stay fully intact. If both get poached again it'll be 3 big conferences, not 4 or 5. For the to end up 4 huge mega conferences, there needs to be some sort of cooperation in dividing the map. If it went natural you'd have the B1G, SEC and PAC being gigantic and top leftover remnants of the ACC/B12/American being the 4th but lesser conference, not the nice and neat 64 team playoff the Pac commissioner publicly stated he wanted.
I think we could land in the big ten newly renevated stadium, basketball is rolling, high student enrollment, aau member. I think we offer enough to get picked up by them. I know I know tv's, eyeballs, football ( lack there of right now) population and all the other bullshitt, but I think we could do it if, BIG IF our conference splits.
As I said, as a tag-along we make a lot of sense...we'd be way down the list of options, though.
We're as good as KU academically and are smack dab in the middle of Lincoln, IC, Minneapolis & Lawrence...
It's not necessarily about eyeballs (although you're right). If you're the B1G and you want a truly national brand you wouldn't add a school from a state you're in already.
The BIG10 already has a presence in Iowa so it would cost them $ to add us. I think they would take KU and then approach Missouri. If Mizzou could get passed the butt-hurt from being previously passed on they would jump at the change to join the BIG10. They could leave the SEC since there are no penalties of GOR and then revive their rivalries with KU and Illinois as well as former conference-mate Neb.
UT and A&M are completely different. There is a huge divide in the state of Texas at very high levels over these 2 schools.
With that said, even with the huge divide between the 2, the only reason they left each other was because of the LHN. I don't see something that big coming between KU and KSU.
yes I would think we have a better shot at the Big 10 than K-State, we have a .0000002% chance and they have .0000001% chance
Pretty happy you are not our AD. If we ever turned down even remote interest from the B10, JP should be fired (and maybe prosecuted).
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