Exactly. Like homosexuality. If it isn't hurting you, just shut the f*** up about it. Isn't that the approach the religious right is taking when it comes to gay marriage? :rolleyes5cz:
Direct Quotes from JP and Brett Meyer about the Chaplian.
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Exactly. Like homosexuality. If it isn't hurting you, just shut the f*** up about it. Isn't that the approach the religious right is taking when it comes to gay marriage? :rolleyes5cz:
A Chaplain will always have a certain denomination he comes from but he can provide spiritual counseling to anyone. Giving them someone to talk to or someone to pray with. Believe it or not, there are a lot of players that like to pray before their games. When you see Meyer and Blythe on one knee, heads bowed together and saying a few words, what do you think they are doing? If a player isn't comfortable praying or is an atheist they need only not be in on the prayer. Many players also use breathe right strips and eye-black. Should we decide that we should not allow any of that cuz some players don't want it? Or should we make sure to provide it for the players that do? Anything that helps some of our athletes feel good ahead of the game is fine by me. If the position is funded by the FCA, then how could ANYONE be bothered by this? Nearly every other University has a full-time chaplain provided for those players that would choose to use it, we're not being "progressive" by being behind the rest of the college world.
Are you 10? Rather than adding any real input you relegate yourself to a juvenile jab. Good luck getting through life with sophomoric "wit" and a GED.
Whitey....you really got me on that one....
I started the thread and I happen to agree with Brett Meyer. And I could care less about:
""That remains to be seen. If he has office space on campus that isn't being rented, then we, as a state, are sharing some of the load. I would love to see the official proposal on how he will be paid, where he would be situated, and whether or not he is an employee of, or officially affiliated with, ISU."
But apparentley you do ....I mean really...who cares?
I started the thread and I happen to agree with Brett Meyer. And I could care less about:
""That remains to be seen. If he has office space on campus that isn't being rented, then we, as a state, are sharing some of the load. I would love to see the official proposal on how he will be paid, where he would be situated, and whether or not he is an employee of, or officially affiliated with, ISU."
But apparentley you do ....I mean really...who cares?
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I think his point is that the argument is that this is going to be privately funded, but he's just asking if that's totally true (in terms of location, insurance, 401K, etc., etc., etc.). It's not a valid argument in less it's true.
I think that is the main point of this whole argument. As long as having a chaplain isn't hurting anyone, then people probably aren't going to have a big problem. Some people who are against religion might make a fuss anyway. Perhaps some of the professors who signed the original position are like this, although I imagine some of them also are simply thinking about the minority. Iowa is a very homogeneous place, and it is hard for a small town, white Christian person from Iowa to identify with someone who is not all of the above. What I think some people are having a hard time getting a hang of, and I think what needs to be emphasized, is that IF this was handled poorly, having a Christian team chaplain could be hostile or threatening to people who aren't Christian. This is a valid concern--looking at it from the outside, I can't know whether or not hiring this chaplain is simply ONE of MANY forms of preferential treatment a "good Christian" would get on the team. I'm not saying this is the way it is going to be, but there should be someone from the outside overseeing this and making sure that the chaplain is just what he is claimed to be, a resource for members of the team. As some others have said, it is very unlikely that a player would speak out against something like this, with a new coach, if he didn't want to be ostracized.
"I think his point is that the argument is that this is going to be privately funded, but he's just asking if that's totally true (in terms of location, insurance, 401K, etc., etc., etc.). It's not a valid argument in less it's true.I think his point is that the argument is that this is going to be privately funded, but he's just asking if that's totally true (in terms of location, insurance, 401K, etc., etc., etc.). It's not a valid argument in less it's true."
It is all "what if"s".....no one has really a good arguement agianst...so they are creating some on the fly. Everyone loves Brett Meyer....he could do no wrong in the past, but now some people see he is for the Chaplain, and everyone is like "Oh, man Brett does not know what he is talking about."
Privatley funded means exactley that. He will not be an emplyee of ISU. I doubt he will have an on campus office, but will be no stranger there. Even if he does. and ISU rents it to him.....STILL DOES NOT COST TAX PAYER MONEY....that is what rent is for. Now, you are injecting the possibility of 401k....insurance...unbelieveable. Why wold ISU provide 401k or insurance to an FCA employee? Man, what will everyone that is agianst the Chaplain's imagination stir up next?
It is all "what if"s".....no one has really a good arguement agianst...so they are creating some on the fly. Everyone loves Brett Meyer....he could do no wrong in the past, but now some people see he is for the Chaplain, and everyone is like "Oh, man Brett does not know what he is talking about."
Privatley funded means exactley that. He will not be an emplyee of ISU. I doubt he will have an on campus office, but will be no stranger there. Even if he does. and ISU rents it to him.....STILL DOES NOT COST TAX PAYER MONEY....that is what rent is for. Now, you are injecting the possibility of 401k....insurance...unbelieveable. Why wold ISU provide 401k or insurance to an FCA employee? Man, what will everyone that is agianst the Chaplain's imagination stir up next?
First of all - the whole question was if he was going to be entirely an FCA employee. It was just that - a question. Nobody knows yet - we know that it's said to be "privately funded", but it's also "state appointed", since it's someone of ISU's (or Chizek's) choosing. This is where the gray area comes in.
Secondly - I don't think I mentioned Bret (one "t") Meyer once in my post - I simply asked a question, and didn't give an opinion. I believe I just pointed out what I believe the answer to the question you posted (and I quoted) was.
Third - perhaps everyone should SETTLE DOWN (I can use caps, too) about this. Everyone has their own opinions and beliefs, and phrases such as "he is correct" and "you are wrong" are fundamentally incorrect and inappropriate on these topics, since they are about personal beliefs.
As a future note on these, and this part is representing the moderators (while the rest was just me) - keep all threads kind, fair, and respectful. Any threads not kept this way can and probably will be closed - not just about this topic, but about any topics.
Agreed. Any and all topics are welcome here yet attacks - subtle or otherwise - are not welcome.
Here's a new point of view to start a discussion? Why do people have such a problem with a privately funded chaplain for a football team that would affect a select few football players, but no one cares to discuss why we are fully funding an atheist professor who wants to push his atheist views across an entire University?
Interesting article
Increasingly, Football's Playbooks Call for Prayer - New York Times
He has one supporter with a different perspective: Musa Smith, a rookie running back for the N.F.L. Baltimore Ravens, who played at Georgia. Smith was reared a Muslim and did not attend chapel services with his teammates. When he did pray with them, he stuck to his own prayers. Mr. Smith said he was inspired by the example set by Mr. Richt.
"At the end of the day, it was about strengthening your spiritual foundations and to walk in a righteous way in whatever you believe," Mr. Smith said. "It reminded me of my fundamentals and made me a better person."
What the!? A Muslim who accepted a christian chaplain and didn't feel ostrasized or pressured and came out with a positive outlook on the situation and feeling better about himself!?
Increasingly, Football's Playbooks Call for Prayer - New York Times
He has one supporter with a different perspective: Musa Smith, a rookie running back for the N.F.L. Baltimore Ravens, who played at Georgia. Smith was reared a Muslim and did not attend chapel services with his teammates. When he did pray with them, he stuck to his own prayers. Mr. Smith said he was inspired by the example set by Mr. Richt.
"At the end of the day, it was about strengthening your spiritual foundations and to walk in a righteous way in whatever you believe," Mr. Smith said. "It reminded me of my fundamentals and made me a better person."
What the!? A Muslim who accepted a christian chaplain and didn't feel ostrasized or pressured and came out with a positive outlook on the situation and feeling better about himself!?
We've already discussed this in depth in the "Professor Avila" thread (although his name is Avalos). There is no comparison.
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Here's a new point of view to start a discussion? Why do people have such a problem with a privately funded chaplain for a football team that would affect a select few football players, but no one cares to discuss why we are fully funding an atheist professor who wants to push his atheist views across an entire University?"
Thank you...great point...I wonder if the petition was "penned" on ISU stationary...from his office.
Here's a new point of view to start a discussion? Why do people have such a problem with a privately funded chaplain for a football team that would affect a select few football players, but no one cares to discuss why we are fully funding an atheist professor who wants to push his atheist views across an entire University?"
Thank you...great point...I wonder if the petition was "penned" on ISU stationary...from his office.
Exactly. And to go along with this thought, nobody's opinion on this message board is going to change what happens with this issue. Pollard is not going to say, "Gee, so and so on Cyclone Fanatic brings up a good point on his post, maybe I should do x instead of y." Nobody's opinion is going to change someone else's opinion on this board. We've all made it blatently clear the past week or so and a hundred threads later that we're stubborn. Hows about we drop this issue? Let Pollard, Chizik, and the ISU staff do their jobs. Have a little faith that the leaders of our beloved school know what they're doing and that they'll do it the right way. We've not been given any reasons to doubt their abilities to do a good job.
Some are concerned that hiring a Chaplain will make some players uncomfortable. I doubt Chizik would create an atmosphere that may lower team morale or negatively effect recruiting.
He's not being hired by an atheist coach and administration to guide our football players in the ways of atheism with his salary paid by an atheist promotion organization. There is no comparison.
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