Sporting News: OU and A&M may look at SEC

[huskerman]

Which is why ISU likely has a contingency plan. Just admit it: you want the Big 12 to die. It validates you.

I want the Big 12 to live. It's the most profitable set up for my school. There's nothing irrational about my thinking or anything I've said in this thread. ISU could escape Texas, but they'd make a **** load less money.

This "slavery" that Texas imposes on us makes us a lot of money. IT DOESN'T HURT US. WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR SKULL? You say we should be mad about Texas's control? Why? We don't have a more profitable option. Texas isn't taking money out of our pockets. They're putting money in our pockets.

The schools who are upset about Texas's actions are not upset because it's is causing them any kind of loss. It's hurting their pride. It may have hurt their pride to the point they leave, but that's all it's hurting. They think that the LHN hurts their recruiting? Imagine what will happen to their recruiting when they lose a lot more games in the SEC.

I know you'll just respond with "Just keep bending over for Texas" or something stupid like that, without making any rational points. Nebraska leaving was smart. They went to a weaker (on the field) conference that clearly pays more $. A&M and OU would be leaving for a much stronger conference that might not pay any more.

Al i do agree with some of your post. I do agree that Nebraska leaving was the best for Nebraska and the same can be said of Colorado. And yes Nebraska in 1996 and even forward voted for unequal revenue sharing, why wouldnt they? it made Nebraska more money. We, however, were not running from texas but rather running towards more money and i would argue a tougher conference schedule. But its not Nebraska that we are talking about here Al.

I as well as alot of other people are simply saying that one school does not make a conference, there are 9 other institutions of higher learning in the big12 that could and should be looking out for themselves and it doesnt make sense to people that are not in that situation to not be proactive and at least look around at other options.

Basically, how are you ever going to get out of the cellar if you meet one schools demands all of the time? Texas was not alway the top dog in the big12 and in my eyes they still are not, OU is, but they know that with the current setup they always will be going forward and if for some reason that doesnt work out then they have a heck of a lot of money to go independent with from their network.

I actually do want the big12 to live Al. I follow both ISU and Mizzou athletics and want to see both of these schools do well. In fact I dont even have a hatred of Texas like you correctly assume most Husker fans do, i understand why we moved and it mostly had to do with stability and money simple as that.

You dont know that OU and A&M will lose more games in the SEC. A&M looked pretty comparable to LSU this past season and LSU does alright for itself. As well as the fact that not only will both schools still recruit texas well but they will also be able to more effectively recruit the southeastern part of the country which is supposedly the most talent rich part of the country. their recruiting will probably actually get better.

and yes, ISU makes money because Texas is in the league, sort of. Texas could leave the league and have the same impact as Texas A&M leaving would have because neither would really reduce the TV sets that are available to the TV stations as both schools are in Texas. So in reality, it doesnt make all that much sense to meet all of their demands.

it just seems irrational to myself and alot of other people to meet all of their demands. myself i would rather be in a smaller conference than to deal with that. JMO.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

I'll answer in part

OU & A&M jump to the SEC is a counter measure to the longhorn network, believe it or not there are plenty of kids in this country who WANT to play in the SEC above any other conference. Geneo Smith this year is prime example

OU will take some lumps but I'm willing to bet that we would hold are on

You're entitled to your opinion, you dog us for our bowl record lately, thats fine whatever

Whats your opinion? Does OU leave? Does OSU follow them? I would think OSU would have a shot for the PAC 12.

 

[hawkfan]

My argument for a Big 12 Network is that, like most news stations, the highest performers will draw the most coverage. OU and A&M would be the premier teams on a Big 12 Network, gaining more regional exposure and also only competing with 8-teams for coverage instead of a hypothetical 13 in the SEC. I made sure to emphasize regional exposure, as the argument for moving to the SEC is to bring in TV sets and a recruiting pipeline in the state of Texas that for some odd reason does not exist at the current moment (??).

Also, the word "network" can mean many different things. It could mean a national cable/satellite channel; it could be an online only subscription similar to ESPN3; it could be an ala carte channel such as ESPNU or Fox Sports Fill-In-The-Region Channel; or it could be a single game shown on an HD-alternate channel on FOX or ABC; or it could even be a regional local channel like Mediacom. At this point A&M and OU could explore any of these options or think even more outside of the box - but those universities do not want to explore those possibilities.

You seem to have missed my point entirely - OU & TAMU would hardly ever be on the Big 12 Network - ESPN/ABC/FOX paid the big money for the 2nd tier rights so they could put those teams on their channels to generate ratings. FOX/ESPN would be able to select the games they want far before the Big 12 Network got to pick, and they'd rarely pass up on an OU or TAMU game. FOX/ESPN wouldn't pass over the highest rated games and give them to the Big 12 Network - they'd keep them for themselves.

If your idea of a network is a "sports tier channel", then it makes more sense to me. I guess I was interpreting the "Big 12 Network" to mean the same thing as the "Big Ten Network" - but I see I must have misunderstood.

 

[Boomer]

Whats your opinion? Does OU leave? Does OSU follow them? I would think OSU would have a shot for the PAC 12.

nothing is going to be in the open i believe till June. If the LHN broadcasts HS games this fall I think the exit of Texas A&M is assured & if that happens I think OU will leave

OSU isn't tied to us, the only way they are tied to us is if Boren decides to make them. I don't think OSU has a shot at the Pac12 without OU

 

[CyCrazy]

Well, thanks a lot. You'll have your first intelligent post too someday. I'll be sure to let you know. Idiot.

I wasn't complimenting you. It was more like rewarding a kid with a treat when he figures out the square peg goes through the square hole.

 

[alarson]

If just A&M leaves, we're fine. Even with nobody added, we dont lose any tv markets, so even though it may do some damage to future total contract values, you'll only be splitting by 9. Then we go to an 8 game schedule and everything is still fine.

A&M and OU go? Hope the big east is still willing to talk.

 

[daphins]

Selling "you're probably going to play for a National Title" will go MUCH farther than selling "you're going to play in the best conference in the country".

How far has the 2nd pitch gotten Kentucky, Vandy, Miss. St, etc?

True for you and me, but other people see things other ways IMO. The SEC is having a ton of success...that's going to attractive to kids in their teens. They're seeing more SEC on National TV right now than other conferences.

 

[Al_4_State]

nothing is going to be in the open i believe till June. If the LHN broadcasts HS games this fall I think the exit of Texas A&M is assured & if that happens I think OU will leave

OSU isn't tied to us, the only way they are tied to us is if Boren decides to make them. I don't think OSU has a shot at the Pac12 without OU

Just out of curiosity (not flaming at all), why does A&M's action affect OU? BYU could be brought and potentially make MORE money than A&M. With Texas being your principal rival, why does A&M's departure effectuate yours, especially if there's more money to be made?

 

[Al_4_State]

True for you and me, but other people see things other ways IMO. The SEC is having a ton of success...that's going to attractive to kids in their teens. They're seeing more SEC on National TV right now than other conferences.

I think OU's ability to win a National Title means WAY more than SEC affiliation. When you're at OU's level, a recruit doesn't give 2 ***** what conference you're in.

 

[Boomer]

Just out of curiosity (not flaming at all), why does A&M's action affect OU? BYU could be brought and potentially make MORE money than A&M. With Texas being your principal rival, why does A&M's departure effectuate yours, especially if there's more money to be made?

BYU brings problems in other sports (scheduling cause of Mormon faith)

Real Talk

A&M leaving opens the door for Sooners to leave without being the bad guy, in national perception.

 

[RackEm]

I think OU's ability to win a National Title means WAY more than SEC affiliation. When you're at OU's level, a recruit doesn't give 2 ***** what conference you're in.

They don't have to deal with the crap Texas brings. Same reason CU and Nebraska got out, same reason TAMU and Mizzou are looking elsewhere.

 

[clonedude]

And OU's chances of winning a National Title go WAY down if they join the SEC. That is fact.

 

[CyCrazy]

They don't have to deal with the crap Texas brings. Same reason CU and Nebraska got out, same reason TAMU and Mizzou are looking elsewhere.

Who's lining up to take Mizzou???

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Like I posted in another thread. Join the Big East, win conference titles then when the realignment things comes around again in 5 years we can have a say. I will say this, people dog the Big East, but their members are not constantly looking for other avenues. And don't bring up money because NO ONE knows what the money will look like with ISU, Mizzou, Baylor, KU and KSU in the league.

Also am I the only one that thinks the Big East saw this all coming when they invited TCU to the conference? Add a natural rival for Baylor in the the new Big West division of the Big East with ISU, KU, Baylor, Mizzou, KSU and TCU.

 

[CyFan61]

They don't have to deal with the crap Texas brings. Same reason CU and Nebraska got out, same reason TAMU and Mizzou are looking elsewhere.

That was referring to recruits. Are you telling me an 18 year old kid would rather NOT play Texas in a conference rivalry game?

 

[Al_4_State]

BYU brings problems in other sports (scheduling cause of Mormon faith)

Real Talk

A&M leaving opens the door for Sooners to leave without being the bad guy, in national perception.

But what's OU's incentive to leave if they're getting paid a boat load, and have a great shot at the whole she-bang? You've admitted that going to the SEC would frustrate your ability to win like you have. You'd still be good, but probably not great. You aren't going to drop Red River, so why leave? What gain? Show you can show us whose boss and possibly relegate us to even greater obscurity? What's the gain?

Is not being in a conference with Texas, who you're going to play anyways, worth competing for less National Championships? Is this just to say "we're better than you KU, KSU, OSU, Baylor, Tech, ISU, and Mizzou and we're going to prove it?"

 

[CyCrazy]

And OU's chances of winning a National Title go WAY down if they join the SEC. That is fact.

You must have figured out how to put a circle peg in a circle hole today. You are rationale today.

 

[Yes13]

Would a kid really commit the next four or five years of their life to get their high school on TV once? I don't get the butt hurt over it.

note: didn't read the thread

 

[3GenClone]

You seem to have missed my point entirely - OU & TAMU would hardly ever be on the Big 12 Network - ESPN/ABC/FOX paid the big money for the 2nd tier rights so they could put those teams on their channels to generate ratings. FOX/ESPN would be able to select the games they want far before the Big 12 Network got to pick, and they'd rarely pass up on an OU or TAMU game. FOX/ESPN wouldn't pass over the highest rated games and give them to the Big 12 Network - they'd keep them for themselves.

If your idea of a network is a "sports tier channel", then it makes more sense to me. I guess I was interpreting the "Big 12 Network" to mean the same thing as the "Big Ten Network" - but I see I must have misunderstood.

I think I'm following you now. No, OU & A&M wouldn't be on a Big 12 Network very much - but tOSU is rarely on the B10 Network and the quality opponent for that game has been Youngstown State. You would see more ISU, K. State and Baylor games on the "Big 12 Network" or 2nd Tier level - similar to Minnesota, Purdue and Indiana on the B10 Net. ESPN/ABC will always have their pick of games and now FOX will have their pick as well. The SEC has CBS and ABC-ESPN, but the Big 12 has ABC-ESPN and FOX-FX-FOX Sports Net-FOX Sports Regional, allowing the teams that stay in the Big 12 more channels to appear on than the SEC schools.

Is that making sense?

 

[enisthemenace]

Would a kid really commit the next four or five years of their life to get their high school on TV once? I don't get the butt hurt over it.

note: didn't read the thread

It's a dandy.