*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[isuno1fan]

Light Bulb just went off for me.

We are going to share 1st and 2nd Tier money equally...that goes without saying. Third Tier will remain with the individual institutaions (i.e. UT can keep their LHN). There will be rules around what is allowed for content on those 3rd Tier rights though (no HS games/highlight, no conference games, etc).
Now...hear me out...everyone keeps saying the other teams should band together and form a B12 network less UT. Problem is geography and amount of demand/TVs is limited with the remaining markets. IF we add the remaining BE schools, we could have a footprint over the Eastern half of the US and potentially now 15 markets that would make the B12 network less Texas much more economically feasible and profitable for all the other institutions. I could honestly see this adding up to another few million per school per year. I don't think that would be the case less the BE schools.
In this model, nobody is PO'd at UT's financial gain from LHN and as long as content is controlled, 1st & 2nd Tier is shared equally, and we get a new commish, everybody should be happy for the long haul.

I like it!

 

[cykadelic2]

If we take 3 from the BE (Say LVille, Cincy, USF), ACC probably takes Rutgers\Uconn, SEC probably goes back to WVU if MU is now off the table. TCU probably gets left out.

You end up with ACC at 16, b10, pac12, and b12 at 12, and SEC at 14. Not really much further expansion that you'd predict from there.

The B12 Presidents are not going to be enthused about adding lower-tier academic schools like Louisville, Cincy, USF and West Virginia. Their sights will initially be set on Top 100 schools like BYU, TCU, Rutgers, UConn as well as Notre Dame and Arkansas.

 

[Die4Cy]

IF the Big 12 wants the opportunity to choose teams they WANT instead of just picking up the scraps left out there, a LONG TERM UNANIMOUS conference deal needs to be struck.

There is no reason we can't stick it to Slive and take a SEC team like Arkansas under the right circumstances. If I were commissioner, three of Louisville (Big East), Arkansas, Tennessee, and Kentucky would be my targets in order. Getting them would require innovative leadership to structure the conference in a way that can benefit everyone, Texas included. The Big 12 has one major advantage other conferences don't: We get do renegotiate 1st tier TV rights next, and we just signed a huge deal for Tier 2. Played right the Big 12 can be the wealthiest football conference by quite a bit.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

LOL. Again, I haven't once said ISU would be left out in the cold. Go ahead and go back and check my posting history the last few months. Every post I've made states that I see ISU in an AQ conference - I simply don't believe the Big 12 is viable. That's all.

And seriously? "You can't beat us so you root for our conference to explode". If you are going to discuss this with me, at least bring rational arguments to the table. Iowa is 37-17 against ISU all time - including 6-2 in the last 8. I think you better reevaluate your position just a bit - no team can win them all, but I'll take a damn near 70% win percentage any day of the week VS. any opponent.

UI also quit the series and had to be forced back; only agreed it demanded that the first four games were in IC. During the layoff time ISU has their greatest success and UI had probably their worst. The series was renewed in time for the situation to completely flip and ISU have some of their worst and UI their best FB success. Did ISU take their ball and go home? No, they took it on the chin for 15 years. Had UI stayed in the series, the overall record would look a bit different. For that matter, if ISU had cut and run in the midst of the 15 streak; it would have improved the overall record. I look atbthe overall record as skewed.

 

[Trice]

It's going to be a long and hard process getting this B12 back together again. Exemplified by these tweets.

@ChuckCarltonDMN Chuck Carlton
Texas AD DeLoss Dodds: "We're Big 12. Period.

@ChuckCarltonDMN Chuck Carlton
Dodds: But he said Texas has no plans to share Tier 3 rights, i.e. Longhorn Network.

If the LHN were converted or folded into a leaguewide B12 network comparable to the Big 10 Network, and thus ALL tiered TV revenues are shared equally, I have no issues with compensating Texas for that as a one-time payout. They've stuck their neck out on this, on the promises from other B12 schools, bearing the cost/risk/work of developing their own network.

Where I think we have a problem is if the LHN continues to operate separately as a UT-only entity while the rest of the league fends for itself. I don't think it's a viable long-term arrangement to have every school attempting to operate its own network.

 

[Wesley]

Depends - instead of the default 15 posts per page, I have set it in my options for CF to display at 20 posts per page. I'm somewhere around page 680 in this thread...

We cannot rest till this hits 1000 pages. That number is easier to tell our grandkids about.

 

[Wesley]

The Devil is ESPN. Way too spread out and way too liable. So they need to report the break up. Finacially, for them to save any face and $$$, they need to have the 4 Divisions, with no litigation.

They have been fueling every rumor since day one, and all of us, me included, stay glued to it.

They have the most to gain and the most to lose. That's why they keep trying to steer the talk

Yep, good old firiendly ESPN had been trying to light the Survivor torch for two years now. First they talk playoffs for years. Then they spend an insane amount for some low level games with contract for the Less Humble network or LHN. Then they leak as much breakup info as they can get their little greedy hands on. They probably do not really want to pay UT for the LHN at this point. That will be next month's story.

 

[CrossCyed]

I don't think the LHN folding into a B12N is a very realistic scenario.

A B12N minus Texas is moreso, maybe Texas can encourage ESPN or Fox to help make it happen.

 

[cyclonestate]

Originally Posted by hawkfan

LOL. Again, I haven't once said ISU would be left out in the cold. Go ahead and go back and check my posting history the last few months. Every post I've made states that I see ISU in an AQ conference - I simply don't believe the Big 12 is viable. That's all.

And seriously? "You can't beat us so you root for our conference to explode". If you are going to discuss this with me, at least bring rational arguments to the table. Iowa is 37-17 against ISU all time - including 6-2 in the last 8. I think you better reevaluate your position just a bit - no team can win them all, but I'll take a damn near 70% win percentage any day of the week VS. any opponent.

Hey hawkfan,
Your mighty hawkeyes have a losing record against ISU for the 13 years that Ferentz has coached there. 70% winning percentage?
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[Wesley]

In 5 years we should have the new tier 1 contract done shouldnt we? That should do a lot for keeping things together long-run.

Yep. This is definitely the driver for a 5 year commitment. The big breakup years are jsut before the next big contract is signed. If we get going in sports, maybe the 5 year extension will be enough for us.....

 

[Trice]

Yep. This is definitely the driver for a 5 year commitment. The big breakup years are jsut before the next big contract is signed. If we get going in sports, maybe the 5 year extension will be enough for us.....

Well, it looks like our man DeLoss says the LHN is untouchable, non-negotiable. So I think we can abandon any hopes of true, long-term stability.

See you at next summer's 15,000-post thread about who's leaving. OU to SEC is my early bet.

 

[Wesley]

I keep seeing all this talk of LHN still potentially showing high school games and I can't quite figure out why this is still an issue. I was almost positive the NCAA made a ruling that any school based network couldn't show high school games.

Maybe they can still show junior high games on LHN.

 

[CtownCyclone]

Maybe they can still show junior high games on LHN.

Junior High games I'm OK with. But if they start showing T-ball, I'm grabbing my pitchfork and lighting a dumpster on fire.

 

[cyclonepower]

Well, it looks like our man DeLoss says the LHN is untouchable, non-negotiable. So I think we can abandon any hopes of true, long-term stability.

See you at next summer's 15,000-post thread about who's leaving. OU to SEC is my early bet.

i think this is right on

 

[Wesley]

Not sure for reasoning. Just telling you what I heard. This was like 6th hand information too so don't take it too seriously.

clarkebutterfingers@ twitterville

Hawaii is high on the list to open up a Samoan pipeline for B12 linemen.

 

[cstrunk]

Hey hawkfan,
Your mighty hawkeyes have a losing record against ISU for the 13 years that Ferentz has coached there. 70% winning percentage?
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Dude, that squabble is done with. Give it a rest.

 

[CrossCyed]

Oklahoma is trying to start up their own network. They won't leave because Texas has their own. Their issue is with content.

 

[Kyclone]

The Big East has said that they will make Pitt and 'Cuse honor the 27 month waiting period before moving to the ACC, they are trying to stay alive, and this hurts the B12 if they want add 1 or 2 BE schools like Louisville and WV/Cinci. Also the fact that the BE has so many non-football schools, there really doesnt seem to be the option of the BE dissolving completely and avoiding the 27 month waiting period.

 

[Bestaluckcy]

If Texas refuses to negotiate on the LHN, I think we should ask TAM if they would stay with our conference if we voted Texas out. We could then change the name for the big 12 so they could save face as they would not be playing in the Big 12 next year. We could put the word out on twitter that they were our "weird cousins" and we never do take them seriously.

 

[Wesley]

If rebeca was accurate, and it appears to be. Then there were a good 6 or 7 in on this. (I assume TT was not apprised or they would probably leak it.) That means that it's not just what OU wants it is the lion's share of the conference. OU just stuck their neck out because they were the ones who could. If this is true, it looks like the Big 8 boys still have some loyalty amongst each other. Baylor is seeming to hook up with us now also.

Things will change for the better, I don't know if all the way, but I think UT has been shown that there are other members of this conference and that the LHN is a toxic card to hold.

Boren to the Apostles with the Grand Plan or How to Sitck it to Bevo:

"Ok guys. Here is the plan. I will mastermind/direct/manipulate your efforts. Over the next 3 days to 3 weeks, I will fly to our undercover agent Dan Beebe B-12 HQs in Austin; then onto Larry Naive Scott @ PACtown in Walnut Creek, CAL; then John Mafia Marinatta at BEast Hqs in Providence (shh-h-h, close to ESPN); then onto Mike Driveby Slive at SExC HQs in Birmingham AL; and finally Johnny ACCident Swofford at ACC HQs in Greensboro. I do not need the frequent flier miles.

"Baylor, you handle the lawsuits. Shake them up. Threaten even ESPN bloggers.

"OSU, whatever big brother say. Just do not say anything. By the way, keep a muzzle on Boone if you can.

"KU, work the BE angle on bball prowess and tell little brother KSU to keep quiet. They are so far out there, the media will ignore them.

"MO, you have the tough one. Fool the SEC with an end run and say you are working to save the B12 like we are in real trouble.

"ISU, just keep quiet and track the OU plane. You need to act like the forgotten one.

"BYU, you must say you are on, you are off, you are on again, camouflage all the way. I promise you we will get you in when we can since you have a junior high football schedule.

"Beebe, you old son of a gun, you need to say that you are trying like the dickens to hold the fort. We will give you an early golden parachute if it works out. Oh yes, you handle the luggage for me. Otherwise, you will be let go without a parachute if you know what I mean."