Albert Gary - charges reduced

[Clones85']

I am with rebecacy on this. Whether he "quits" or is "booted" or is otherwise unable, Gary will not be on the 2012 roster. But yes, I guess we will know soon.

I think you forget that CPR has known about this for a year, already suspended him, already allowed him to continue and play. He did this when already knowing what Gary was being CHARGED with which was much worse than what he plead down to. I'll be absolutely shocked if Gary is suspended any further.

 

[Stormin]

I think you forget that CPR has known about this for a year, already suspended him, already allowed him to continue and play. He did this when already knowing what Gary was being CHARGED with which was much worse than what he plead down to. I'll be absolutely shocked if Gary is suspended any further.

Agree. CPR said last fall that Albert Gary was cooperating with authorities. Doubtful that there is jail. Doubt that he is kicked off the team.

 

[Spam]

The last time an ISU athlete was convicted of a Class C felony, he got 300 days in jail. And we took him back after his Class C felony conviction- a mistake I don't believe we will repeat at ISU.

 

[Aclone]

Agree. CPR said last fall that Albert Gary was cooperating with authorities. Doubtful that there is jail. Doubt that he is kicked off the team.

Haven't read the whole thread, but some guys might want to wait for something more than a tweet before rushing to judgment.

Not only any please, but the actual sentence that ensues. This was the stupid thing with the pellet guns, right? In which case he might have been dumb not to take it before a jury--unless they offered him something like a deferred judgment along with the plea.

IMO, that was hardly worth a felony. Bother with the real bad guys, not someone being stupid in playing a prank.

 

[Spam]

Haven't read the whole thread, but some guys might want to wait for something more than a tweet before rushing to judgment.

Not only any please, but the actual sentence that ensues. This was the stupid thing with the pellet guns, right? In which case he might have been dumb not to take it before a jury--unless they offered him something like a deferred judgment along with the plea.

IMO, that was hardly worth a felony. Bother with the real bad guys, not someone being stupid in playing a prank.

IMO if this had happened off campus, he would not have been charged with anything more than disorderly conduct or something. But ISU Police tends to take their job a bit too seriously. Of course, ISU police and the DA are well within their right to press the original Class A felony charge. But Ames police, rather than ISU police, would have simply arrested Gary for a simple misdemeanor.

That said, once the felony conviction is on paper, Gary needs to go.

 

[CyFan61]

I think you forget that CPR has known about this for a year, already suspended him, already allowed him to continue and play. He did this when already knowing what Gary was being CHARGED with which was much worse than what he plead down to. I'll be absolutely shocked if Gary is suspended any further.

Do you not get the difference between a charge and a conviction? I don't want anyone to be crucified based on a charge. A charge doesn't mean anything for sure. People deserve to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. But, Gary pleading guilty counts as that guilty proof. He is admitting to a violent felony (after all, it did involve a weapon) that took place on campus. Saying that his suspension through the charge should now count for the entire conviction is ridiculous.

Additionally, it's **** like this...

Should have zero bearing on the decision? Maybe. But that's not reality. Reality is that this is the Big 12 and the world of college football is different than the real world. You do what you have to do to win games and if Albert can help us win games than the coaching staff will make sure he stays on the team.

...that makes people hate what college athletics have become. "Keep him on the team at any cost because he is good." That's unbelievable. That is not how we do things here and not what Iowa State University as an educational institution should be doing. If any other student, not on the football team, would have committed this crime, would your opinion be different? Mine wouldn't be.

The world of college football may be different from the real world, but people like Albert Gary need to learn what the real world is like. If we don't teach them at ISU, we have failed miserably. You don't get to act with impunity because you are good at playing football. Time to teach him that life lesson.

 

[Go2Guy]

IMO if this had happened off campus, he would not have been charged with anything more than disorderly conduct or something. But ISU Police tends to take their job a bit too seriously. Of course, ISU police and the DA are well within their right to press the original Class A felony charge. But Ames police, rather than ISU police, would have simply arrested Gary for a simple misdemeanor.

That said, once the felony conviction is on paper, Gary needs to go.

I agree he needs to go. I'm sure that BBgun looked like some real heat to the people who were held up.

 

[rebecacy]

I think you forget that CPR has known about this for a year, already suspended him, already allowed him to continue and play. He did this when already knowing what Gary was being CHARGED with which was much worse than what he plead down to. I'll be absolutely shocked if Gary is suspended any further.

Innocent until proven guilty -- later this month he will be proven guilty and then suspended from campus (and football of course). The way it should and will happen. I do not know this for certain or how long he will be suspended (guess a semester or two) but I do know how the system at ISU works.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

The world of college football may be different from the real world, but people like Albert Gary need to learn what the real world is like. If we don't teach them at ISU, we have failed miserably. You don't get to act with impunity because you are good at playing football. Time to teach him that life lesson.

Support him during his probation (assuming that's the end result). Show him how to grow to be a better person and continuing to keep his nose clean (as he has since) while playing and earning a degree. That's the real world. If he can't do that then the probation being revoked will be the life lesson.

 

[Stormin]

Didn't Royce White plead guilty to Theft and Trespass in Minnesota prior to coming to ISU? Just saying.

 

[Spam]

Didn't Royce White plead guilty to Theft and Trespass in Minnesota prior to coming to ISU? Just saying.

I don't believe he was convicted of felonies.

 

[clone4good]

He is an athlete he wont serve anytime. Rhoads and the coaching staff wont let it happen. Armed robbery? And we still let these punks play football for our university. Hope gary gets what he deserves. Being in a class with him last semester the kids an idiot.

 

[Clones85']

Do you not get the difference between a charge and a conviction? I don't want anyone to be crucified based on a charge. A charge doesn't mean anything for sure. People deserve to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. But, Gary pleading guilty counts as that guilty proof. He is admitting to a violent felony (after all, it did involve a weapon) that took place on campus. Saying that his suspension through the charge should now count for the entire conviction is ridiculous.

Additionally, it's **** like this...



...that makes people hate what college athletics have become. "Keep him on the team at any cost because he is good." That's unbelievable. That is not how we do things here and not what Iowa State University as an educational institution should be doing. If any other student, not on the football team, would have committed this crime, would your opinion be different? Mine wouldn't be.

The world of college football may be different from the real world, but people like Albert Gary need to learn what the real world is like. If we don't teach them at ISU, we have failed miserably. You don't get to act with impunity because you are good at playing football. Time to teach him that life lesson.

First off, look at your avatar. Do you know what Royce White did before he came to Iowa State? And yet you make the claim that Iowa State should be above winning and that's not what we are about. Newsflash! It's what EVERYONE is about. **** or get off the pot dude.

How do you know that CPR isn't teaching him right from wrong right now? Do you know where Albert Gary is from? Any idea. I know most people from Iowa don't get this but some guys come from a different part of the world and right/wrong is a tad different for them. CPR and staff can turn kids into men but it's hard to do when you kick them to the curb when they make a mistake.

As for your first paragraph. Yes, I'm very familiar with law. He was charged with something. He told CPR what happened. CPR suspended him. He ended up being convicted of something lower. It's over. HE will stay on the team and his suspension has been served.

 

[JY07]

I am not saying that Gary is justified in what he did. Just clarifying that, in fact, NOTHING of Material value was taken.

so you're saying armed robbery where the victim has $100 on them and has that stolen, is completely different than armed robbery where the victim has nothing on them, and nothing is taken?

 

[Spam]

Didn't Royce White plead guilty to Theft and Trespass in Minnesota prior to coming to ISU? Just saying.

I am not sure if this link will show-up. Royce White was found not guilty of theft, and guilty of only disorderly conduct. Look up his case if the results don't show up on the link

http://pa.courts.state.mn.us/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=1613138676

 

[Clones85']

Innocent until proven guilty -- later this month he will be proven guilty and then suspended from campus (and football of course). The way it should and will happen. I do not know this for certain or how long he will be suspended (guess a semester or two) but I do know how the system at ISU works.

While this is true. Rhoads already knew what he was guilty of as Gary told him, and Rhoads suspended him. Nothing new came from this and in fact the charge was lowered. The suspension was served and he will be good to go.

 

[rebecacy]

Didn't Royce White plead guilty to Theft and Trespass in Minnesota prior to coming to ISU? Just saying.

what about "on campus" do people not get -- if you think the new prez is going to let this pass by ANY student, you are dreaming. Again, there is a major development in this case ........ he is now legally guilty (well officially later this month)!! A suspension from ISU and the team will happen. And it should.

 

[Clones85']

what about "on campus" do people not get -- if you think the new prez is going to let this pass by ANY student, you are dreaming. Again, there is a major development in this case ........ he is now legally guilty (well officially later this month)!! A suspension from ISU and the team will happen. And it should.

Where do you think Royce was when he stole the laptop?

 

[rebecacy]

First off, look at your avatar. Do you know what Royce White did before he came to Iowa State? And yet you make the claim that Iowa State should be above winning and that's not what we are about. Newsflash! It's what EVERYONE is about. **** or get off the pot dude.

How do you know that CPR isn't teaching him right from wrong right now? Do you know where Albert Gary is from? Any idea. I know most people from Iowa don't get this but some guys come from a different part of the world and right/wrong is a tad different for them. CPR and staff can turn kids into men but it's hard to do when you kick them to the curb when they make a mistake.

As for your first paragraph. Yes, I'm very familiar with law. He was charged with something. He told CPR what happened. CPR suspended him. He ended up being convicted of something lower. It's over. HE will stay on the team and his suspension has been served.

nope

 

[Clones85']

nope

have you made up any Rhoads emails lately? He got a good chuckle from that. :SLEEP: