*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[drednot57]

If and when the Big 12 expands back to twelve teams, Texas and Oklahoma will not, I say again, will not be in separate divisions; the "Red River Shootout", or whatever it's called now is the biggest TV revenue game for the conference. Our Big 8 nostalgia is just that, nostalgia, and won't play any factor in any final divisional lineups. A poster earlier in this thread graded each team's competitiveness within the conference and divided the teams into divisions of nearly equal scores; I prefer this method of division makeup, old Big 8 rivalries notwithstanding. This probably means ISU and KU in different divisions as having the smallest competitive scores in the Big 12. If the teams are divided up in this way, then perhaps protected rivalries will come into play. If expansion occurs, it'll be interesting to see how the divisions will fall out.

Edit: BTW, my nominations for division names -- the Royal Division and the Wilkinson Division. Better than Leaders and Legends by any stretch.

 

[RustShack]

If and when the Big 12 expands back to twelve teams, Texas and Oklahoma will not, I say again, will not be in separate divisions; the "Red River Shootout", or whatever it's called now is the biggest TV revenue game for the conference. Our Big 8 nostalgia is just that, nostalgia, and won't play any factor in any final divisional lineups. A poster earlier in this thread graded each team's competitiveness within the conference and divided the teams into divisions of nearly equal scores; I prefer this method of division makeup, old Big 8 rivalries notwithstanding. This probably means ISU and KU in different divisions as having the smallest competitive scores in the Big 12. If the teams are divided up in this way, then perhaps protected rivalries will come into play. If expansion occurs, it'll be interesting to see how the divisions will fall out.

Edit: BTW, my nominations for division names -- the Royal Division and the Wilkinson Division. Better than Leaders and Legends by any stretch.

Have you ever heard of a protected rivalry? They would still play even if in different divisions.

 

[isuno1fan]

I just want us in the same division as KU and Purple Kansas. Then we have a somewhat driveable away game at least.

We would still play them lots...possible still every year. The division we are in doesn't really matter.

 

[TXCyclones]

If and when the Big 12 expands back to twelve teams, Texas and Oklahoma will not, I say again, will not be in separate divisions; the "Red River Shootout", or whatever it's called now is the biggest TV revenue game for the conference. Our Big 8 nostalgia is just that, nostalgia, and won't play any factor in any final divisional lineups. A poster earlier in this thread graded each team's competitiveness within the conference and divided the teams into divisions of nearly equal scores; I prefer this method of division makeup, old Big 8 rivalries notwithstanding. This probably means ISU and KU in different divisions as having the smallest competitive scores in the Big 12. If the teams are divided up in this way, then perhaps protected rivalries will come into play. If expansion occurs, it'll be interesting to see how the divisions will fall out.

Edit: BTW, my nominations for division names -- the Royal Division and the Wilkinson Division. Better than Leaders and Legends by any stretch.

I don't think I agree with this. UT and OU will be in separate divisions allowing them to be the likely winner of their respective division each year and then the chance to play in the Conference Championship again each year. Beyond this they'll play their sacred cross-divisional rivalry in the Red River Shootout. And since everybody knows that this is big game with a lot of TV sets they'll want to capitalize on getting it 2X a year with the RRS and the Conf Championship.

 

[AlumfromAmes]

Do you guys not realize how many Texas teams are in the conference? WE ARE PLAYING IN TEXAS NO MATTER WHAT DIVISIONS THEY ARE IN!

Maybe true until we get to 16 teams.

We could easily be in a midwest division/pod. With 16 teams, we'll probably get one game guaranteed each year with either a Texas or a Florida school.

Don't get me wrong - it's not worth worrying about at this time and at least we're in a major conference. It just doesn't look like the Big XII is stopping at 12. Eventually, we may NOT be playing in Texas every year.

 

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[proisu]

I don't think I agree with this. UT and OU will be in separate divisions allowing them to be the likely winner of their respective division each year and then the chance to play in the Conference Championship again each year. Beyond this they'll play their sacred cross-divisional rivalry in the Red River Shootout. And since everybody knows that this is big game with a lot of TV sets they'll want to capitalize on getting it 2X a year with the RRS and the Conf Championship.

Iwould think they would WANT to be in seperate divisions (WITH the rivalry game), even the one who lost the game could have a shot back at the winner by winning their division.

 

[drednot57]

Have you ever heard of a protected rivalry? They would still play even if in different divisions.

Did you even read my post? I said if the teams are divided competitively, then perhaps protected rivalries will come into play. Anyway, I expect both the 'Horns and Sooners will demand they stay in the same division, and the conference will acquiesce to the wishes of its two biggest FB powers in that regard.

 

[2020cy]

Actually, call it anything but Legends and Leaders. Call it Union and Confederate. Call it burgers and fries. Call it Hatfields and McCoys for all I care. Just get it done.

I think we should call the divisions, Thing 1 and Thing 2.

 

[HoopsTournament]

I don't think I agree with this. UT and OU will be in separate divisions allowing them to be the likely winner of their respective division each year and then the chance to play in the Conference Championship again each year. Beyond this they'll play their sacred cross-divisional rivalry in the Red River Shootout. And since everybody knows that this is big game with a lot of TV sets they'll want to capitalize on getting it 2X a year with the RRS and the Conf Championship.

Everything I have heard is that OU and UT don't want to be in different divisions because they don't want exactly what you are describing to happen. However, TV networks and other conference members may pressure them into separate divisions.

IMO, the best divisions are

ISU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, WVU in North and UT, TTU, BU, TCU, CU, FSU in South. Also every team has two protected rivals and will then play the other four 2 out of every four years. Also, every north team would be guaranteed 2 Texas teams on schedule each year (at least).

 

[kingcy]

Everything I have heard is that OU and UT don't want to be in different divisions because they don't want exactly what you are describing to happen. However, TV networks and other conference members may pressure them into separate divisions.

IMO, the best divisions are

ISU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, WVU in North and UT, TTU, BU, TCU, CU, FSU in South. Also every team has two protected rivals and will then play the other four 2 out of every four years. Also, every north team would be guaranteed 2 Texas teams on schedule each year (at least).

I can see it now ISU protected rivals Texas and FSU. 1 protected game is enough. The issue is there are not real rivals in the Big 12 that wont be in those divisions, except Texas and OU. The best rival for ISU would be Tech in that set up. Not really anything to get excited about.

 

[Let's Go State]

No protected rivals please. What a cluster.

 

[ricochet]

No protected rivals please. What a cluster.

If it can get the last 5 Big 8 teams together in a division bring 'em on. I'm hoping Texas and Oklahoma see that the conference isn't just them and 10 2nd tier schools where they will win the divisions every year. If they do then I think they will be agreeable to a protected rivalry setup and be in different divisions.

 

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Fixed it for how he should have said it.

 

[Let's Go State]

If it can get the last 5 Big 8 teams together in a division bring 'em on. I'm hoping Texas and Oklahoma see that the conference isn't just them and 10 2nd tier schools where they will win the divisions every year. If they do then I think they will be agreeable to a protected rivalry setup and be in different divisions.

I think the cheaters and the horny cows don't care what the other schools want and will use some leverage to get what they want.

And frankly I'm ok with that as they were all part of holding this ship together. No matter what, we are a heck of a lot better off the petty crap of the SEC with mizzou in the 'east'.

 

[CarolinaCy]

Scout.com: Expansion

Interesting post from a connected person who rarely posts on the free board.

Everything I have heard is that OU and UT don't want to be in different divisions because they don't want exactly what you are describing to happen. However, TV networks and other conference members may pressure them into separate divisions.

According to the guy in Rockman's link (Eerlaw11), OU and Texas no longer have an issue with being in separate divisions.

2. All I've heard about divisions is that UT and Oklahoma are running that show. I am sure it has been posted here already that UT and Oklahoma have agreed to be in different divisions. This is not golden by any means but I have been told the eastern division would consist of WVU, Clemson, FSU, Oklahoma as definites. Baylor was considered to be an eastern school but is throwing a fit because they want to be able to play the Texas schools every year.

Honestly, from what I hear OU was originally adamant about being in the same division as UT. I am not 100% sure what changed their minds. I have heard reasons but do not know if they are true or not. What I've heard the most often is that OU wants to play FSU every year and the only way to keep the RRR and play FSU every year is to be in separate divisions from UT and the same division as FSU.

 

[CarolinaCy]

Update from Eerlaw11 on the WVU site:

Since the divisional split has become a heated topic I checked further into it for clarification. I have been assumed the BCS formula will be the deciding factor in whether OU and UT split divisions. If the BCS goes with the conference champion model OU and UT will more than likely be in the same division. If the BCS goes with RPI only model OU and UT will more than likely split because a divisional winner, loser in the conference championship game, could still get a seat at the playoff table. With that said, OU and UT have agreed to split divisions IF the BCS formula makes it beneficial. FWIW, the BCS is presumed to not be considering the champion model. LSU/Alabama national championship game is playing a HUGE role in these decisions.

 

[CyForPresident]

If OU and Texas are fine being apart, the only logical solution is below.

North
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
West Virginia

South
Texas
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
FSU
Clemson

9 conference games and 2 protected rivals.

 

[drose1]

The south would be deadly with that situation

 

[tim_redd]

I would love to see the remaining big 8 teams in the same division.