Quarterback Position Reopens

[jbhtexas]

Barnett gets thrown in as a starter for his first 2 games against 2 top 15 teams and you expect him to play like Joe Montana? I don't blame Barnett. Barnett is the best we got. I blame the coaching staff for not starting Barnett since week 1 to give him more in-game experience.

+1.

Barnett is a sophomore and has started 8 college games now. There are going to be mistakes and bad throws; he just hasn't had the game-situation reps yet to be a polished Big 12 QB. And it would be even worse if Richardson got thrown in there.

It just baffles me how people have given up all hope on JB. It's not like he's a senior. He is a young, inexperienced QB who has plenty of time to improve. It's not his fault that ISU doesn't have a polished senior QB to run the offense.

 

[Cyclonic1]

I LOL at this. Look at the last decade, ISU was only in the top half of the Big 12 once and that was 2005 when ISU was like 4th or 5th.

Well, I cringe at your reply - since we have sucked in the past we are not allowed to expect better? Or complain when once again our QB play sucks? This is a fan message board and the frustrated kid was venting to fellow disappointed fans.

 

[Aclone]

The answer this year. I predict it will be like AA. No one will beat him out and while he will be beloved for his character and at times gutsy plays, we will always wonder what could have been if We had been able to recruit one qb that mug actually play qb for another big 12 team

Well, if you want to be like that, I'll "predict" that Steele gets the next start, irons out his turnover issues, and leads us to an undefeated finish. Fair enough? :unsure:

Good gief. We've played almost all of the toughest defenses in the conference. Let's give these guys a chance against someone like OSU or Baylor before we hang 'em out to dry.

 

[justcynn]

Well, if you want to be like that, I'll "predict" that Steele gets the next start, irons out his turnover issues, and leads us to an undefeated finish. Fair enough? :unsure:

Good gief. We've played almost all of the toughest defenses in the conference. Let's give these guys a chance against someone like OSU or Baylor before we hang 'em out to dry.

sorry I offended you. Rhoads has been clear jb does not have the arm strength to make all of the throws. Jantz desnbut had his chance. Barnett is the guy and the best option we have but that doesn't mean he's a great qb. We can win with jb and I think we will but let's not pretend that he has a ceiling of being a top qb in the league.

 

[Clonefan94]

+1.

Barnett is a sophomore and has started 8 college games now. There are going to be mistakes and bad throws; he just hasn't had the game-situation reps yet to be a polished Big 12 QB. And it would be even worse if Richardson got thrown in there.

It just baffles me how people have given up all hope on JB. It's not like he's a senior. He a young, inexperienced QB who has plenty of time to improve. It's not his fault that ISU doesn't have a polished senior QB to run the offense.

Unfortunately, this is all too common in football in general today. The back-up QB is always the solution, even when he's proved in the past, he isn't.

What's most amazing to me is how many people believe SJ has some late game heroics saved up, even after the TTU debacle.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Unfortunately, this is all too common in football in general today. The back-up QB is always the solution, even when he's proved in the past, he isn't.

What's most amazing to me is how many people believe SJ has some late game heroics saved up, even after the TTU debacle.

I think they're reminiscing the Iowa game last year, as well as the UNI and UConn game.

 

[twojman]

Well, I cringe at your reply - since we have sucked in the past we are not allowed to expect better? Or complain when once again our QB play sucks? This is a fan message board and the frustrated kid was venting to fellow disappointed fans.

We should expect better, much better. There is a program wide problem that has been going on for a decade and we cannot shake it. ISU needs to do much better. An average QB would help.

I am on the fence if I overrated our O-line or if our poor QB play is making our run game look so bad. ISU is just getting dared to throw deep a lot with man/press coverage and cannot convert. Today when KSU was playing zone coverage wide open guys were missed bad, had bounce passes thrown to them, were overthrown or thrown behind.

 

[Aclone]

+1.

It just baffles me how people have given up all hope on JB. It's not like he's a senior. He is a young, inexperienced QB who has plenty of time to improve. It's not his fault that ISU doesn't have a polished senior QB to run the offense.

Gotta admit, it astonishes me that you could pretend that the only shortcoming for JB is that he's not "polished". Not saying that it's not a consideration, but to pretend otherwise is just ludicrous.

 

[kilroy]

Still if it had been jantz we would have had all that and turnovers to go with it. But in the end, doesnt matter we got the same results.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

It just baffles me how people have given up all hope on JB. It's not like he's a senior. He is a young, inexperienced QB who has plenty of time to improve. It's not his fault that ISU doesn't have a polished senior QB to run the offense.

It is not that baffling when one considers it not a lack of polish, but ability. Unless JB was a RB in high school and first two years at ISU, and has not thrown the ball much in his life, many of his deficiencies will always be there. He is just not good at throwing the ball. Optimistically, some polishing will help him avoid needing to do this as much.

 

[cycloneike001]

No Richardson until the season is lost. If we lose our next 5 it might be time for Richardson, as long as we have a chance to bowl it will be Barnett (at least I hope). Steele isn't the answer. Plain and simple.

 

[cyatheart]

Gotta admit, it astonishes me that you could pretend that the only shortcoming for JB is that he's not "polished". Not saying that it's not a consideration, but to pretend otherwise is just ludicrous.

Yeah, good post. I don't like to get on any of our players, especially young ones. But Barnett has some problems that are not because of age, his arm just isn't strong enough for one. And also a good point that we probably played 3 pretty good defenses so far in conference. My guess is Barnett looks a lot better the next two weeks, just like Jantz probably would have if he could hold onto the ball better. Baylor and OSU are bad defensively. However, it will still take 42 points to beat either one of those teams because they will score points.

If Barnett throws for 300 yards and the offense scores 28 points in the next two games people will think he is great and the defense blows...point is that isn't going to be enough. Need a lot more points than that going forward.

 

[cyatheart]

It is not that baffling when one considers it not a lack of polish, but ability. Unless JB was a RB in high school and first two years at ISU, and has not thrown the ball much in his life, many of his deficiencies will always be there. He is just not good at throwing the ball. Optimistically, some polishing will help him avoid needing to do this as much.

Yes. That is the problem. He isn't good at throwing a football. Which is not a problem if you play any other position than quarterback.

 

[Aclone]

No Richardson until the season is lost. If we lose our next 5 it might be time for Richardson, as long as we have a chance to bowl it will be Barnett (at least I hope). Steele isn't the answer. Plain and simple.

Sorry, you can't claim that any more than you can claim that JB is the answer.

I'm taking a deep breath, and logging off for the night. Have a good night, everyone!

 

[jdoggivjc]

Sorry, you can't claim that any more than you can claim that JB is the answer.

I'm taking a deep breath, and logging off for the night. Have a good night, everyone!

Actually, I tend to agree with him - Steele isn't the answer, plain and simple. The problem is that clearly Barnett isn't the answer either. As of right now we simply don't have a definitive answer at QB.

 

[Clones21]

Amen. Barnett played like **** hole.

 

[Amesboy]

Quarterback Position Reopens.

Multiple chances. Horrible outing.

Agreed ! Our last possession of the game was horrible. I know Barnett is young but the QB has got to be able to look off his main receiver and not get tunnel visioned. No excuse.
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[Cyclonepride]

The O line did a good job pass blocking, and I'm not sure that they had a chance to show how they would do with the run. I think we threw 37 times and ran 20 or a little more. I'm sure the balance was thrown off a little by the last two drives, but why we don't run more is a bit of a mystery to me.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Actually, I tend to agree with him - Steele isn't the answer, plain and simple. The problem is that clearly Barnett isn't the answer either. As of right now we simply don't have a definitive answer at QB.

Yep, and given JB is a Soph, might as well start him. I would not be against rotating though.

One thing about JB and the game today- against many other teams he was enough of a game manager that we would have won. Not being good enough to complete routine passes is normally better than TO's. Unfortunately, most of our schedule is not against such teams. JB has to know when to use his legs and eyes to avoid throwing.

 

[InCytful]

Actually, I tend to agree with him - Steele isn't the answer, plain and simple. The problem is that clearly Barnett isn't the answer either. As of right now we simply don't have a definitive answer at QB.

I don't know who is the answer. Texas Tech just laid the wood to WV and Geno, which is much more impressive than stopping Steele a couple of weeks ago. JB had a stupid turnover moment and can't make certain throws very well, but he steps up in the pocket instead of rolling into the pressure. Steele would make those throws but have multiple stupid turnovers. I don't envy CPR the choice of either as neither is a championship guy. I think I stick with Barnett against the teams with little/no D we have coming up in the next few games. I shudder to think who we use against OU, who all of the sudden seems to have come to life.