***Official 2013 Bracketology Thread***

Gunnerclone

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uh...every one of those points is related to RPI.

we are ahead of iowa at this point in time no doubt but im am not quick to dismiss them based on the growth in use of metrics other than RPI. its also an important argument because they own the head to head.

Well if that's the case then everything is related to the RPI. Sorry Hoks still aren't going to make it. Hey, at least you'll have another chance to get some free pizza at CHA!
 

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maybe i am missing something but iowa has a pretty favorable resume to other bubble teams with the exception of RPI. their close losses combined with weak OOC schedule are killing them. most computers really like them.

even their "bad" losses are weird...V-tech was ranked when they lost that game, and v-tech also turned around and won at Okie State. purdue has won more games down the stretch than expected.

its will be interesting to see it unfold. pretty crazy that the last slot could come down to iowa or ISU or even better (worse?) maybe thats a play-in game LOL.

Saying with the exception to RPI is like saying "Besides that fat girl I hooked up with when I was drunk, I have never cheated on my wife."

Oh ya and no Va Tech hasn't been ranked all year
 

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Iowa has 1 way into the NCAA Tournament... Beat Nebraska and win at least 2 games in the conference tournament. Anything short of that and they have no shot. If they can pull that off they at least have a little hope of maybe snagging a play in game.
 

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Iowa won't get in unless they win 3 more games (ie. they have to beat someone good and not Nebraska twice). They play in (by far) the toughest conference in the nation...and their SOS is 115. That's amazing.

I guess a non-con SOS of 313 will do that for you.
 

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Iowa has 1 way into the NCAA Tournament... Beat Nebraska and win at least 2 games in the conference tournament. Anything short of that and they have no shot. If they can pull that off they at least have a little hope of maybe snagging a play in game.

Agreed.
 

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Iowa has 1 way into the NCAA Tournament... Beat Nebraska and win at least 2 games in the conference tournament. Anything short of that and they have no shot. If they can pull that off they at least have a little hope of maybe snagging a play in game.

this is accurate. they will beat us and nebraska, and essentially be facing OSU for a shot at the tournament.

EDIT: i am a northwestern grad and i forgot which board i was on for second.
 
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Cyclonestate78

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Iowa won't get in unless they win 3 more games (ie. they have to beat someone good and not Nebraska twice). They play in (by far) the toughest conference in the nation...and their SOS is 115. That's amazing.

I guess a non-con SOS of 313 will do that for you.

Iowa is the "Virginia Tech" of NCAA Tournaments past. They played in a strong conference, probably will finish with 20+ wins, but will miss the Tournament because they played one of the most pathetic non-conference schedules ever assembled. If it wasn't for ISU and Wichita State their non-con SOS would probably be dead last in the entire country.

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Cyclonestate78

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South Carolina State RPI: 342 Record: 3-23
Howard RPI: 334 Record: 6-22
Texas A&M CC RPI: 325 Record: 5-21
Texas Pan America RPI: 310 Record: 11-15
Coppin State RPI: 309 Record: 6-23
Central Michigan RPI: 263 Record: 10-18
South Dakota RPI: 241 Record: 8-19
Gardner-Webb RPI: 184 Record: 17-11
W.Kentucky RPI: 178 Record: 15-15

These are 9 of Iowa's non-con opponents and their resumes. Gardner-Webb is the best of the bunch at 17-11 which makes sense since Iowa had to make a furious rally from 23 points behind to win that game. The epic level of pathetic opponents is hard to believe... 5... count them.... 5 teams that haven't even reached double digits in wins this year and 7 of the 9 teams aren't even close to a .500 record.
 

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therein lies the fallacy...almost all of those brackets are a snapshot in time for RIGHT NOW and do not incorporate the probability of future results. we are safe right now but have at least three tough games remaining.

How is that a fallacy? "Right now" is right now, the end of the season, conference tournaments are starting, selection Sunday is a week and a half away. This isn't Lunardi's August bracket that we're talking about.
 

johnnydugouts

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How is that a fallacy? "Right now" is right now, the end of the season, conference tournaments are starting, selection Sunday is a week and a half away. This isn't Lunardi's August bracket that we're talking about.

if you want to interpret it that way, feel free. we lose tonight and its nail biting time.
 

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South Carolina State RPI: 342 Record: 3-23
Howard RPI: 334 Record: 6-22
Texas A&M CC RPI: 325 Record: 5-21
Texas Pan America RPI: 310 Record: 11-15
Coppin State RPI: 309 Record: 6-23
Central Michigan RPI: 263 Record: 10-18
South Dakota RPI: 241 Record: 8-19
Gardner-Webb RPI: 184 Record: 17-11
W.Kentucky RPI: 178 Record: 15-15

These are 9 of Iowa's non-con opponents and their resumes. Gardner-Webb is the best of the bunch at 17-11 which makes sense since Iowa had to make a furious rally from 23 points behind to win that game. The epic level of pathetic opponents is hard to believe... 5... count them.... 5 teams that haven't even reached double digits in wins this year and 7 of the 9 teams aren't even close to a .500 record.

Iowa will most certainly pay the price for this non-con schedule. But really, is the following line-up that much different? This is 9 of Iowa State's non-con games -Team/RPI

Southern -186
Alabama A&M - 330
Campbell- 295
NC A&T - 257
Fla Gulf Coast - 109
Nebraska Omaha - 291
Drake - 148
UMKC - No RPI, record is 8-23 (maybe not D1?)
Yale - 208

Point being, if you are a possible tournament team, you should beat everyone 150+. Is there really a difference between playing an extra game or two vs 200+ versus 300+? I think that is the flaw with RPI.
 
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ISU is first 4 out, Iowa isn't on the list.....donno what article you are seeing

I'm not sure how BP is doing it this year without Drew Cannon, but I think their calculation is wrong. My calculations (look at Dropbox link) have been validated against others' versions of it and are updated every day. Feel free to tell me where my mistake is.

Edit: The guy doing the EBS on BP thinks I'm right :cool: (which is good because he can fix his version for the next calculation): https://twitter.com/NussCoug/status/309420321314848768
https://twitter.com/NussCoug/status/309420605629943808
 
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johnnydugouts

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Iowa will most certainly pay the price for this non-con schedule. But really, is the following line-up that much different? Team/RPI

Southern -186
Alabama A&M - 330
Campbell- 295
NC A&T - 257
Fla Gulf Coast - 109
Nebraska Omaha - 291
Drake - 148
UMKC - No RPI, record is 8-23 (maybe not D1?)
Yale - 208

Point being, if you are a possible tournament team, you should beat everyone 150+. Is there really a difference between playing an extra game or two vs 200+ versus 300+? I think that is the flaw with RPI.

thats my point. i guess it depends if you think that the dance should reward people for trying (which is obvious for low majors), or if its supposed to determine the best basketball team out there. iowa is real solid, but they could not beat any of the top teams in the big ten, ven at home...that is more important to me than some RPI calculation.