WRNL Calls Out the Students

[MNCyGuy]

Maybe a little over the top, but it's a damn solid point. Students have supplied reasons for why they're not showing up this year, but those reasons, quite frankly, are lame. 90% of them translate to: going to MBB isn't something I prioritize or plan around.

Students take their current ticket situation as a given. We hear all the time about how we have to coddle the student section because someday they will be the big donors and supporters. How much longer are we and specifically the AD going to actually believe this? If the students don't give a **** when they are actually attending the school, exactly what switch is going to flip when they are alumni? We are all going to watch students **** away their student section privileges and decrease their allotment. The sport, in general not just at ISU, is going to become even more corporatized to survive and slide even further into just becoming NBA Jr..

And you know what? If the students don't really care and I still get to cheer for jerseys with Iowa State on the front and the university still gets some money/publicity and some nice kids still get a scholarship, it's probably not the end of the world. The only ones who are really going to get stung are that small group of students who really do care, because there is no way to differentiate them from their classmates and give them the preferential treatment they still deserve.

 

[CyFan61]

Also, many of you seem so convinced that the student section is going to shrink next year. To that I say, "Lol"

 

[IcSyU]

I don't know if it will "shrink" but I bet they'll be finding another way to sell those tickets for a 3rd time.

 

[brianhos]

 

[balken]

The sad part about the resurgence of the great atmosphere in Hilton is that the energy and strong attendance of regular ticket attendees is covering up the inadequacies of CA.

 

[dinger]

WRNL probably should've clarified who "Morgan" was. Are the current students even old (smart) enough to remember McDermott?

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

People who frequent here go to games. People who even know what WRNL even is, are hardcore fans. But just what we need, another thread bashing students

 

[CynadoAlley]

The sad part about the resurgence of the great atmosphere in Hilton is that the energy and strong attendance of regular ticket attendees is covering up the inadequacies of CA.

While the energy has been good from the regular ticket attendees and their attendance has been fantastic, they don't drive the atmosphere at Hilton. Every once in awhile the entire crowd will rise to their feet for a possession or two (and when we all do it's deafening), but the students are the ones that really drive the atmosphere.

Which is why this issue is so infuriating. Especially when there are many die hard students (like myself and basically all of those on this forum) who make cyclone basketball such a huge priority, who never miss a game, who go ape-**** during the game, and who get lumped in with the rest of the students due to their poor showing.

The article was funny and made good points, but it's completely incorrect to generalize all students as not being dedicated enough, or to consider all students to be "***** assed".

Preaching to the choir here of course.

 

[JHUNSY]

".. but with 33,000 students, you can't find 4,000.."

This is incorrect reasoning and I have seen several people using it lately when bashing the students. They don't sell 33,000 tickets to the students. They sell, what, 3000? So less than 10% actually owns all of the student section allotted season tickets and yet 100% have access?

I hate the All-Sports package because it limits our ability of getting the true students who want to be there actually there. It's just a marketing/accounting scheme to make money off the sports that don't sell when they bundle everything like that. So what does JP honestly expect of the students and their attendance?

Sell each sport separately. Then students who actually want to go, can. Plus then you eliminate that horrible excuse of getting turned away after long wait at three games during non-conference creating a "waiting fatigue" for the rest of the season.

 

[PabloDiablo]

fingerblast some strumpet in the shitbox

LOL, WHAT?!?! That line is amazing!

I liked the article on a larger scale than just our current basketball season. More-so because of its view of the the world as we age. I am in my 30's now and have endless time to be responsible and work on stuff that matters and get on facebook and generally be a lame-***. There is time to do that from your late twenties until you die.... lots of time for all that ****.

But there is only so much time to be in college, and I don't mean attend a college but really experience it. The dorms, the sports, the idiot decisions, the parties, the opposite sex, sure class too. Those things are really only socially acceptable for consummation by those who go to these great institutions of higher learning from 18-23.

So go, be fun and awesome and carefree and stupid while you can. Real life is waiting when you graduate to take it all away.

 

[2forISU]

The original maker OD'd over Christmas break. Props to whoever got Giant Georges from his family.

Never saw this. Was there a post on this? Too bad

 

[bringmagicback]

"You can't jack off to anime for the rest of your life"

I have a feeling this is directed at a certain poster on this board.

 

[bostrem00]

Just another admonishing job of the student section by an alum...the athletics department has their money. I wonder what the next trivial issue will CF blow out of proportion?

 

[ISUCY23]

People who frequent here go to games. People who even know what WRNL even is, are hardcore fans. But just what we need, another thread bashing students

Hey its ok, everything they did was better back in the day.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Never saw this. Was there a post on this? Too bad

I don't think there was a thread title specifically, but it has been mentioned in several threads and the obit linked a couple of times.

 

[Dryburn]

Great article, and someone needed to say it. I'm not sure who they will reach with the article, but hopefully it will get around.

I know that it is preaching to the choir here, because I'm guessing that most of the students on CF who have tickets go to the games. Still....don't defend the students that aren' there. You should be as ****** if not more ****** that they are not there because you will get lumped in with them and so they end up making you look bad too.

If you think there is something that CA should be doing that they are not doing, then tell them. Write to them. Call them. Put a Letter to the Editor in the Daily and call them out. Get active about it. Don't come on CF and make excuses like Dance Marathon, hangovers, or the students had to wait in line too long once or twice and a few may have gotten turned away. Get after your fellow students. If you live in a dorm.....put up a flyer on the bulletin board reminding people about the game. If you know students that have tickets and are not going......confront them about it.

I think the ticket policies need to be changed and I am guessing that JP will change them for next year. He is not going to have CFH's program playing in supposedly sold-out Hilton Coliseum and then have a thousand or so empty seats show up on tv. That just makes the ISU AD look stupid. One way or another, I am betting those seats will be filled next year.

It would be better for ISU if they were filled by students who want to be there.

 

[ppclone]

This is gonna turn into an economics 101 exercise, like real quick. Unused tickets (in this case, by the students) will result in fewer tickets for students....even if enrollment goes to 80,000. They could be sold for more because non-students will pay more for the tickets.

We can get all philosophical, but somebody hit the nail on the head with a sledgehammer - going to these games is not as much a priority for current students, as a whole (not the ones who are going to games and going apesh*t at games - those basta*ds are amazing) as maybe it was for older generations of students. That's life. Millenials, social media....meh. True, but lets get back on point - this will last another...ummm....one game. Jamie will allocate fewer tickets next year and thats a smart thing. For two reasons:
1. More Money. Duh. Could sell tickets to a late twentysomething who has a nice job at Principal and can pay more than the cost of a student ticket.
2. Even a moderately cheering 40 year old is louder (more Magical?) than an empty student seat.
There. Everyone wins.

On the not-rationale side, i think everyone looooooves the attention we get/promote about Hilton Magic. Everyone likes to be told they are pretty....and that their school/alma mater is one badarse place to play. Its called pride. So when Hilton Magic doesn't live up to expectations - its natural to take it personally.

And thats a good thing. We should push to be better. But i'd like people who choose not to go to games.... and make excuses when they get called out....to lean into a little thing old punks like me call 'accountability'. Its okay to say "going to the game wasn't a priority for me". Its okay to say "Twittering my experience Dance Marathon is a bigger priority". May i suggest you buy single game tickets and not season tickets....or donate unused tickets to someone who can go? Very well then. I suggest it.

At the end of the day, we need to fill up all sold-out games. The product we have is good. The reputation we recieve is intoxicating. I'm confident we'll solve the issue...and it will be through fewer student tickets.

 

[CyFan61]

I'm confident we'll solve the issue...and it will be through fewer student tickets.

Lol

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

This is gonna turn into an economics 101 exercise, like real quick. Unused tickets (in this case, by the students) will result in fewer tickets for students....even if enrollment goes to 80,000. They could be sold for more because non-students will pay more for the tickets.

We can get all philosophical, but somebody hit the nail on the head with a sledgehammer - going to these games is not as much a priority for current students, as a whole (not the ones who are going to games and going apesh*t at games - those basta*ds are amazing) as maybe it was for older generations of students. That's life. Millenials, social media....meh. True, but lets get back on point - this will last another...ummm....one game. Jamie will allocate fewer tickets next year and thats a smart thing. For two reasons:
1. More Money. Duh. Could sell tickets to a late twentysomething who has a nice job at Principal and can pay more than the cost of a student ticket.
2. Even a moderately cheering 40 year old is louder (more Magical?) than an empty student seat.
There. Everyone wins.

On the not-rationale side, i think everyone looooooves the attention we get/promote about Hilton Magic. Everyone likes to be told they are pretty....and that their school/alma mater is one badarse place to play. Its called pride. So when Hilton Magic doesn't live up to expectations - its natural to take it personally.

And thats a good thing. We should push to be better. But i'd like people who choose not to go to games.... and make excuses when they get called out....to lean into a little thing old punks like me call 'accountability'. Its okay to say "going to the game wasn't a priority for me". Its okay to say "Twittering my experience Dance Marathon is a bigger priority". May i suggest you buy single game tickets and not season tickets....or donate unused tickets to someone who can go? Very well then. I suggest it.

At the end of the day, we need to fill up all sold-out games. The product we have is good. The reputation we recieve is intoxicating. I'm confident we'll solve the issue...and it will be through fewer student tickets.

Economics Lesson 101 - You make more money overselling an empty student section seat to 1.5 people than a regular ticket. Student section ain't getting reallocated.

 

[Cycsk]

Ah, yes. Our First World problems. Unlike the Third World problems over on Hawkeye Nation!

We are babbling about making our great student section better while they are giving up on the whole season.